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SlickAg

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Flash said:
No need to wildly exaggerate the numbers to make your point.

While some hospitals might be 'empty' and laying off employees some are still dealign with a larger number of patients with the virus. Just because a hospital in one place, or several, is not overwhelmed doesn't mean our health system has got a handle on this overall. And yes, some of the advice is evolving but the medical professionals are learning as they go as well to a degree, as this is a new virus and a lot of what works and doesn't work with respect to it is still unknown, but they are the best folks though to figure out a way ahead that will keep everyone as safe as possible.
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Apologies, that was unintentional should’ve read one million Americans, not one hundred million. I was going back and forth between millions, hundreds of thousands, and settled on one million since it was the lower end of the initial Imperial College model. But yeah, I get your point. Valid. Failure to proofread before posting.

As far as the health industry layoffs, it’s pretty widespread and not limited to one geographic area. Remember, we flattened the curve to help save them. And now we’ve done such a good job that we’ve caused them to lose their jobs. Seems paradoxical to me.

www.google.com

Hospitals are cutting staff just when America needs them most

One nurse characterized the situation as: "You’re a hero, but also we don’t value you enough to prepare or pay you."
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www.google.com

US for-profit healthcare sector cuts thousands of jobs as pandemic rages

Health workers are facing layoffs, furloughs and cuts to salaries and schedules in response to declines in revenue
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MattWSU

MattWSU

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SlickAg said:
Hey buddy, found you a picture sort of proving what I said. The circles are mine though. I’m sure that taints the value of the written word though.

Here’s the link to the article if you want to read it. There’s a graph in it too but I didn’t know if it met your high standards or not. It’s CBS so hopefully it isn’t too deep state

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apple.news

Roughly 1 in 7 U.S. workers are now jobless — CBS News

Roughly 1 in 7 workers is now jobless as the coronavirus pandemic shuttered large portions of the U.S. economy.
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Look at you—vetting sources, going beyond click-bait. Hey:

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every online political argument.
“I believe A”
“I Believe B”
“A is better!”
“B is better!”
“It’s all B’s fault”
“Well A did it too”
Here is a source that proves point A!
Doesn’t count! Your source isn’t backed by the same corporation that backs source B!
“You’re stupid! What a dumb post, the dumbest I’ve ever seen”
“No you’re stupid.”
 
nittany03

nittany03

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Nasty Flyer said:
every online political argument.
“I believe A”
“I Believe B”
“A is better!”
“B is better!”
“It’s all B’s fault”
“Well A did it too”
Here is a source that proves point A!
Doesn’t count! Your source isn’t backed by the same corporation that backs source B!
“You’re stupid! What a dumb post, the dumbest I’ve ever seen”
“No you’re stupid.”
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"Sexist!"
"Socialist!"
"RACIST!!"
"COMMUNIST!!"
 
taxi1

taxi1

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Ken_gone_flying said:
Not always. But if you refuse to place any blame on China or the WHO, that’s simply your hate for Trump and nothing else.
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Last I checked, neither China nor the WHO took an oath to support and defend the Constitution and people in this country.

I fully expect China to act in their own interest at all times, while the WHO is in international organization with mixed sponsors that lacks a many, many billions of dollars intelligence apparatus and also many billions of dollars health system to include a CDC.

We have a National Medical Intelligence team with full access to the our intel apparatus.

Running around saying "it's their fault, it's their fault, it's their fault" is just blame-dodging. Trying to divert attention from Trump's own failures. Lack of testing (even now). Lack of PPE. Lack of leadership.

So I certainly hold Trump to a different standard than I do China or the WHO.
 
Jim123

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
taxi1 said:
Running around saying "it's their fault, it's their fault, it's their fault" is just blame-dodging. Trying to divert attention from Trump's own failures. Lack of testing (even now). Lack of PPE. Lack of leadership.
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There's a political school of thought that is big on pulling out of the UN, pulling back funding and participation in UN missions, etc. I'm not a fan of that school of thought at all. The UN has problems that any big organization has, like inefficiencies, corruption, scandals, etc., some of the members use it and abuse it to grab more power, it's maybe a little too easy for some really detestable characters to get a platform there... I can go on and on.

BUT, I'd still rather have this one, central, recognized venue than for it to not exist. I think that when countries use their little pulpit to talk to the world then they believe that someone is listening to them- I'd rather have that than for them to believe no one is listening to them. When you think no one is listening to you then it's dangerous.

I believe in trade and diplomacy but that doesn't mean I'm a globalist. (Obviously I'm not an isolationist.)

Threatening to cut off our share of WHO funding is a power move. They dropped the ball really badly (so did everybody else) and they deserve certain negative attention for that. I don't think we're going to make good on that promise. Saying right now that we're not going to pay anymore, that is going to reverberate for years to come during the next crisis and the one after that. What I think will happen is the politics are going to play out and then we'll be a paying member again. WHO is about far more things than just China or COVID-19 and it's much too much in our own interest to participate.
 
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Jim123 said:
There's a political school of thought that is big on pulling out of the UN, pulling back funding and participation in UN missions, etc. I'm not a fan of that school of thought at all. The UN has problems that any big organization has, like inefficiencies, corruption, scandals, etc., some of the members use it and abuse it to grab more power, it's maybe a little too easy for some really detestable characters to get a platform there... I can go on and on.

BUT, I'd still rather have this one, central, recognized venue than for it to not exist. I think that when countries use their little pulpit to talk to the world then they believe that someone is listening to them- I'd rather have that than for them to believe no one is listening to them. When you think no one is listening to you then it's dangerous.

I believe in trade and diplomacy but that doesn't mean I'm a globalist. (Obviously I'm not an isolationist.)

Threatening to cut off our share of WHO funding is a power move. They dropped the ball really badly (so did everybody else) and they deserve certain negative attention for that. I don't think we're going to make good on that promise. Saying right now that we're not going to pay anymore, that is going to reverberate for years to come during the next crisis and the one after that. What I think will happen is the politics are going to play out and then we'll be a paying member again. WHO is about far more things than just China or COVID-19 and it's much too much in our own interest to participate.
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I hope you’re right in that this is just political posturing in an attempt to hold them accountable.
 
Jim123

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
Nasty Flyer said:
I hope you’re right in that this is just political posturing in an attempt to hold them accountable.
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I don't think it's just political posturing but I think we'll... revisit the policy and change our minds. (Sorta putting it euphemistically.)
 
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SlickAg

Registered User
pilot
Some pretty interesting articles about infection rates. Looks like the trend seems to be widespread proliferation of the virus but with a very high number of positives being asymptomatic.

apple.news

Coronavirus clue? Most cases aboard U.S. aircraft carrier are symptom-free — Reuters

Sweeping testing of the entire crew of the coronavirus-stricken U.S. aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt may have revealed a clue about the pandemic: The majority of the positive cases so far are among sailors who are asymptomatic, officials say.
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www.google.com

Coronavirus: CDC reviewing ‘stunning’ universal testing results from Boston homeless shelter

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at a Boston homeless shelter.
www.google.com www.google.com

www.medrxiv.org

COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California

Background Addressing COVID-19 is a pressing health and social concern. To date, many epidemic projections and policies addressing COVID-19 have been designed without seroprevalence data to inform epidemic parameters. We measured the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org
 
Treetop Flyer

Treetop Flyer

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www.medrxiv.org

COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California

Background Addressing COVID-19 is a pressing health and social concern. To date, many epidemic projections and policies addressing COVID-19 have been designed without seroprevalence data to inform epidemic parameters. We measured the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org

Study finds exposure in 50-85 times the number of confirmed cases. That should make the actual mortality rate just a bit lower.
 
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