CJCS responds to Rep. Gaetz

[nodropinufaka]

You argued a month ago China was gaining influence because of climate change. That was a dumbfoundingly stupid argument, but now you’re here arguing that it’s impossible to gain influence without dIveRsiTy.

Yet China is gaining influence. Is it because of climate change? Because of money? Because of diversity?

Were you full of shit then or now, or both?

You do realize that there are multiple IMOs and LOEs right? They aren't exclusive of each other and work simultaneously.

You keep saying its stupid. But you have zero experience in the field..

 

[Treetop Flyer]

You do realize that there are multiple IMOs and LOEs right? They aren't exclusive of each other and work simultaneously.

You keep saying its stupid. But you have zero experience in the field..

You said they’re gaining influence because of climate change.

You said it’s impossible to gain influence without diversity.

Now you’re just flailing around. It’s terrifying to think about you trying to promote US policy overseas when you can’t maintain even the most basic argument. Hopefully foreign countries give you points because of the “whole person concept”

 

[nodropinufaka]

You said they’re gaining influence because of climate change.

You said it’s impossible to gain influence without diversity.

Now you’re just flailing around. It’s terrifying to think about you trying to promote US policy overseas when you can’t maintain even the most basic argument. Hopefully foreign countries give you points because of the “whole person concept”

No I was pretty clear with what I said.

but you seem to be only hearing what you want to hear.

if you wanna be like China go live in china.

Also don’t take up our foreign policy with me. I don’t even work for the government.

go talk to Adm Aquillino about his policies and plans he’s implemn

 

[Short]

1- I don’t know what you mean by ghetto-ize
2- No. It doesn’t suffer cause the whole point is to work with them to change their perspective and stop the gender disparity through OAIs within the next 5-10 years
3- yes. Some come out and say it and some don’t. And they will look at how many females we have in our armed force as well. Many of the PINs have been messed with by White People for a long time so they’re not exactly super trusting.

1. We are conflating one gender specifically with peace and security. All statements have multiple audiences, including in this instance the men and women in the Joint Force, within which we have recently expanded combat roles for women.
2. Do we really believe that we can substantially reduce gender disparity in 5-10 years? What is the value placed on gender parity by the partner nations? What are the societal phenomena that contributed to gender equality in the West? Is it replicatable? If replicatable, is it acceptable to a partner nation?
3. Have they been "messed with" exclusively by white people or are there other malicious actors who need to be offset?

 

[Treetop Flyer]

No I was pretty clear with what I said.

but you seem to be only hearing what you want to hear.

if you wanna be like China go live in china.

Also don’t take up our foreign policy with me. I don’t even work for the government.

go talk to Adm Aquillino about his policies and plans he’s implemn

I know what you said. You just can’t defend it.

Nice touch of irony with the “go live in China” quip.

I am relieved to hear you are not involved in promoting our policy overseas. I wouldn’t trust you to watch my dog.

 

[nodropinufaka]

1. We are conflating one gender specifically with peace and security. All statements have multiple audiences, including in this instance the men and women in the Joint Force, within which we have recently expanded combat roles for women.
2. Do we really believe that we can substantially reduce gender disparity in 5-10 years? What is the value placed on gender parity by the partner nations? What are the societal phenomena that contributed to gender equality in the West? Is it replicatable? If replicatable, is it acceptable to a partner nation?
3. Have they been "messed with" exclusively by white people or are there other malicious actors who need to be offset?

1- actually looks at all genders but that is a different project separate from Women, Peace, Security and Department of State Bureau of Conflict Stability leads that project. This specific project does take into account third genders across the AOR such as Faafafine, Fakaletis, Mahus, Thai Lady Boys, etc.

2- In 5-10 years? No. But implementing into a country’s 5 year plan is a start. More like 20-30 years.

3- For a lot of them they’re mistrusting of whites for the roles they played in cheap labor and occupation. Examples are the Philippines, Papua New Guinea, and Samoa. They also very much don’t like the Japanese due to WW2. They are still extremely bitter about those times and that makes things difficult as well. But they also view siding with a major world power a hedge against something like that happening again.

 

[nodropinufaka]

I know what you said. You just can’t defend it.

Nice touch of irony with the “go live in China” quip.

I am relieved to hear you are not involved in promoting our policy overseas. I wouldn’t trust you to watch my dog.

I mean you haven’t said anything of substance or related to foreign policy matters so I’m just kind of amused at your replies

 

[nodropinufaka]

I know what you said. You just can’t defend it.

Nice touch of irony with the “go live in China” quip.

I am relieved to hear you are not involved in promoting our policy overseas. I wouldn’t trust you to watch my dog.

DOD Unveils Women, Peace, Security Strategy

DOD has published the Women, Peace and Security Strategic Framework and Implementation Plan as part of a national effort to promote the safety, equality and contributions of women around the world,

www.defense.gov

Climate change, conflict and health

Future climate change is predicted to diminish essential natural resource availability in many regions and perhaps globally. The resulting scarcity of water, food and livelihoods could lead to increasingly desperate populations that challenge governments, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Read up. You may learn something

 

[wink]

Holy shit guys. The last 4 or 5 pages have consisted of the same 3 or 4 guys in a circular argument. Don't you have something better to do with your time? You aren't entertaining me or enlightening me or changing my mind in any way. Take a break and come back with something that I find interesting and clever. Until then, I am on watch for the CHYCAPs.

 

[DanMa1156]

I have no idea what the answer is, but think we should consider whether we are mirroring our own assumed values in the presumptions as to what will resonate with partner nations.

Beat me to it, and said it more diplomatically than I was going to say... there's also a lot of partner nations that are uncomfortable being with women in positions of leadership or even in the military (think of basically... the entire Middle East among others), Singapore openly discriminates against Filipinos and they don't give an F in my experience if they are Filipino-American; I am sure other examples exist.

It's one thing to refuse to go to the casino in Singapore that is banning people that look like one of the guys in the squadron; it's another to intentionally send one to a conference. Right or wrong, we push our values onto other countries ALL... THE... TIME. How much of our Security Assistance and/or Cooperation is tied to "human rights" style metrics or markers? A ton it turns out, although, it's inconsistent country to country and administration to administration.

Not saying what China does is right, but their money isn't tied to "human rights" that will change a culture to mimic American values. For a lot of countries, the choice is clearly easier for them to choose China, at least up front. Hopefully, Sri Lanka is the canary in the coal mine and makes countries re-think how much "assistance" they want from China.

 

[nodropinufaka]

Holy shit guys. The last 4 or 5 pages have consisted of the same 3 or 4 guys in a circular argument. Don't you have something better to do with your time? You aren't entertaining me or enlightening me or changing my mind in any way. Take a break and come back with something that I find interesting and clever. Until then, I am on watch for the CHYCAPs.

Honestly I’m bored waiting for a flight. That’s why I been on. Work travel and boredom.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

DOD Unveils Women, Peace, Security Strategy

DOD has published the Women, Peace and Security Strategic Framework and Implementation Plan as part of a national effort to promote the safety, equality and contributions of women around the world,

www.defense.gov

Climate change, conflict and health

Future climate change is predicted to diminish essential natural resource availability in many regions and perhaps globally. The resulting scarcity of water, food and livelihoods could lead to increasingly desperate populations that challenge governments, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Read up. You may learn something

That sounds scary. I’m worried that the largest carbon emitter is gaining influence because we emit less. But they can’t gain influence because they’re not diverse. That sum your clown world up?

 

[Python]

I actually don't know the answer on what you are suggesting. I didn't agree at all with how military promotions work so I left. That was one of my biggest issues and a reason for resigning. From what I understand your package is only briefed in the tank for 1-2 minutes? How would your package even end up in a tie? Is that possible? Navy promotions seemed to be more based on timing and the golden path then anything else.

Affirmative action isn't racist or discriminatory.

Just like getting veterans preference for a federal job isn't discriminatory against non vets

Veterans preference is based off of a choice: having chosen to serve. Affirmative action is based off of non-selectable, arbitrary characteristics, such as skin color or gender.

It’s really hard to argue that affirmative action is not discriminatory. As @Mirage was saying, if affirmative action was happening, but the skin colors it was applied to were reversed, would it be racist then? If so, why not the other way around?

The discussion of whether or not this discrimination is justified is a separate debate, but it is discriminatory.

 

[Mirage]

Veterans preference is based off of a choice: having chosen to serve. Affirmative action is based off of non-selectable, arbitrary characteristics, such as skin color or gender.

It’s really hard to argue that affirmative action is not discriminatory. As @Mirage was saying, if affirmative action was happening, but the skin colors it was applied to were reversed, would it be racist then? If so, why not the other way around?

The discussion of whether or not this discrimination is justified is a separate debate, but it is discriminatory.

He has refused multiple times to answer my basic question over if it would be racist or discriminatory if a college, selection, or hiring board counted his race against him, which is expressly what affirmative action does. The whole idea is to discriminate to provide an advantage to certain races. He can't answer that question because it reveals how hypocritical advocating it and claiming it isn't racist is.

 

[Short]

1- actually looks at all genders but that is a different project separate from Women, Peace, Security and Department of State Bureau of Conflict Stability leads that project. This specific project does take into account third genders across the AOR such as Faafafine, Fakaletis, Mahus, Thai Lady Boys, etc.

2- In 5-10 years? No. But implementing into a country’s 5 year plan is a start. More like 20-30 years.

3- For a lot of them they’re mistrusting of whites for the roles they played in cheap labor and occupation. Examples are the Philippines, Papua New Guinea, and Samoa. They also very much don’t like the Japanese due to WW2. They are still extremely bitter about those times and that makes things difficult as well. But they also view siding with a major world power a hedge against something like that happening again.

We have 20 years at a level of engagement in Afghanistan that will not be replicated in any TSC relationship in the Pacific in current times. Have we evaluated how effective we were in changing the culture of the various tribes? What worked, what didn't work? What produced unexpected but desirable outcomes? Undesirable outcomes?