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RedFive

RedFive

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From HSC-4's facepage:

A first! Technological progression within the aviation community creates vast flexibility.
MH-60S Knighthawk helicopters assigned to the "Black Knights" of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 4, stationed in San Diego, wait to be refueled by a Navy CMV-22B Osprey from the "Titans" of Fleet Logistics Multi-Mission Squadron (VRM) 30. The CMV-22B is the U.S. Navy version of the Osprey, a multi-engine, dual-piloted, self-deployable, medium lift, vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) tilt-rotor aircraft. The Air Delivered Ground Refueling (ADGR) evolution was a first for HSC 4, en route to Naval Air Station Fallon. Air Wing Fallon is part of the predeployment training cycle for Navy's carrier air wings. HSC-4, along with VFA-2, VFA-192, VFA-113, VFA-147, VAQ-136, VAW-113, and HSM-78 comprise CVW-2 and are detached to NAS Fallon in order to sharpen their warfighting readiness through a rigorous 5-week curriculum. The training conducted during Air Wing Fallon drives air wing integration and ensures that all CVW-2 squadrons are ready to conduct the full range of military operations when they deploy later this year. HSC 4 provides vertical lift search and rescue, logistics, anti-surface warfare, special operations forces support, and combat search and rescue capabilities.
(U.S. Navy photo by Chief Mass Communication Specialist Shannon Renfroe/Released)
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I'm sorry, but this is dumb. Why was THIS the capability we were missing? Are we trying to rescue hostages in Iran again? Why can't the Osprey just, you know, get the job done itself? Don't get me wrong, I love the 60 and it's a great platform, but the right thing to do is to install refueling probes like the big boys. They always told us the plumbing is already there, it just needs the probes. This was the top of the list? How about that moving map?

Never was I ever sitting in a Sierra and thinking "Damn, I really wish I could land next to an Osprey and hot pump right now. That would really make me mission effective." I mean, I guess it's a nice to have, but...really?

My tanker squadron assisted with two blue water rescues last year by refueling C-130s which, in turn, refueled the HH-60Gs. Where was the Navy? Back on deck CONUS refueling from an Osprey.
 
loadtoad

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RedFive said:
I'm sorry, but this is dumb. Why was THIS the capability we were missing? Are we trying to rescue hostages in Iran again? Why can't the Osprey just, you know, get the job done itself? Don't get me wrong, I love the 60 and it's a great platform, but the right thing to do is to install refueling probes like the big boys. They always told us the plumbing is already there, it just needs the probes. This was the top of the list? How about that moving map?

Never was I ever sitting in a Sierra and thinking "Damn, I really wish I could land next to an Osprey and hot pump right now. That would really make me mission effective." I mean, I guess it's a nice to have, but...really?

My tanker squadron assisted with two blue water rescues last year by refueling C-130s which, in turn, refueled the HH-60Gs. Where was the Navy? Back on deck CONUS refueling from an Osprey.
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ADGR is better than no gas options and there is plenty of reason to want that capability as an option. And I'm going to guess that this wasn't on any list, it especially wasn't the top of a list, just a capability to exercise like getting gas from a fat cow -47.
 
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I self-hate HSC as much as any other HSC pilot, but come on, "this is dumb" seems excessive. Squadron PAO did what he's supposed to do, take something incredibly mundane and make it look like the coolest, most groundbreaking thing ever. ADGR is isn't exactly new, but being able to do it with all USN assets is a nice to have that costs nothing extra, so why not?
 
insanebikerboy

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Reminds me of the Fathawk/Wethawk capability that the 60 has. Sure, it can be done, but the odds of it happening are practically nil.
 
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It's there because it's an inherent capability of the MV-22. RGR is something the USMC uses for FARPs and since the CMV is just an MV with a few extra features RGR was included in the package. In addition, this is part of the CMV's OT so it's personally very cool to see it happening. From talking with the OTD it was something that was good for the CVW to have. While it may not be something the CVW uses as much as the USMC it sure doesn't seem like a bad feature to have.
 
RedFive

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Alright, I see your guys' point. Until @Pags posted, I honestly thought this was something unique we developed for the CMV. This never came up as a capability in all the work-ups we did with the Marines. And yes @Gonzo08 I look forward to my future "deployments" to Guam ?
 
SynixMan

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Eh, I'm as HSC-skeptical as they come, but this doesn't seem worth the energy. Plenty of uses for this outside of an Eagle Claw scenario. An impromptu HADR FARP comes to mind as something useful.
 
kejo

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Dumb question: where does the hose go? Do they keep it in the back with the jumper cables and spare tire? CMV always flying around with one or is it GSE that "happens" to be at the FOB or wherever?
 
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kejo said:
Dumb question: where does the hose go? Do they keep it in the back with the jumper cables and spare tire? CMV always flying around with one or is it GSE that "happens" to be at the FOB or wherever?
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I honestly have no idea but I'd imagine it lives in the pile of mission equipment and then gets busted out when fragged like MATS tanks, armor, guns, h-60 buddy start hoses, etc.

Or if you left it at home then steal it from the ship when the fuelies aren't looking.
 
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