Blackhawk / CRJ-700 Midair

[PhrogPhlyer]

I've tried to find the legal basis for charging to for each arrival at a public airport. There is wording in rules for the Interstate Highway System that identifies the criteria for future toll collection. I know of no such wording in the ATC/Airport system wording. If anyone knows of the Act or Reg please post here.

 

[Griz882]

I've tried to find the legal basis for charging to for each arrival at a public airport. There is wording in rules for the Interstate Highway System that identifies the criteria for future toll collection. I know of no such wording in the ATC/Airport system wording. If anyone knows of the Act or Reg please post here.

Most of it now falls under the FAA airport improvement grants program. FAA Grant Assurance #22 allows airports to set fees for the use of facilities as long as they are reasonable, applied uniformly, and not used to unfairly restrict access. The same program restricts owners or municipalities from taking these fees for other non-airport uses thus creating a closed loop where fees can only be used for facility improvements.

If you like regulatory language you can sum it all up here!

Federal Register :: Request Access

www.federalregister.gov

 

[ChuckMK23]

My home airport (I68) goes all in on the issue and promotes its "no fee" policy. The Airport has received a number of federal improvement grants and is on track to receive 1000' + runway extension to accommodate demand from jet traffic.

 

[Lawman]

My home airport (I68) goes all in on the issue and promotes its "no fee" policy. The Airport has received a number of federal improvement grants and is on track to receive 1000' + runway extension to accommodate demand from jet traffic.

Probably a very behind the scene fight between local ATC arguing about personnel and workloads vs local business owners wanting the ramp and fuel sales.

Not saying that there isn’t a need to motivate some clueless GA pilots out there or mil guys who just want to because they can. There is definitely a balancing act to retain wider access that needs to be maintained.

Honestly I think a better place to put the motivational finger is to get people to put radios in their damn aircraft and use them. This isn’t 1946 anymore.

 

[Gatordev]

I know of no such wording in the ATC/Airport system wording. If anyone knows of the Act or Reg please post here.

No one (here) is arguing there's a legal basis for it, but nonetheless it's happening. AOPA has started to make a little noise and there's a bill in Congress right now that's supposed to touch on GA privacy, and by extension, prevent capitalizing on ADSB data.

You can restrict your data through the FAA website, however that doesn't prevent the already existing third party commercial databases from being utilized, since they've already pulled all of the data from the FAA. If you do lock out your information, it will take time for it to be culled, basically not really happening until you sell and/or buy a plane and the ownership info isn't updated in the third-party databases.

I've intentionally not restricted my data because I find value in allowing my parents or friends to be able to track me when I come to visit. It sucks those are the only two choices we have.

 

[Griz882]

No one (here) is arguing there's a legal basis for it, but nonetheless it's happening. AOPA has started to make a little noise and there's a bill in Congress right now that's supposed to touch on GA privacy, and by extension, prevent capitalizing on ADSB data.

You can restrict your data through the FAA website, however that doesn't prevent the already existing third party commercial databases from being utilized, since they've already pulled all of the data from the FAA. If you do lock out your information, it will take time for it to be culled, basically not really happening until you sell and/or buy a plane and the ownership info isn't updated in the third-party databases.

I've intentionally not restricted my data because I find value in allowing my parents or friends to be able to track me when I come to visit. It sucks those are the only two choices we have.

Also, in some cases, airfield use cameras to record N number for billing purposes.

 

[Swanee]

Honestly I think a better place to put the motivational finger is to get people to put radios in their damn aircraft and use them. This isn’t 1946 anymore.

TINS- the Richmond, VA FSDO made the soaring club I belong to remove the batteries and electric instruments (to include radios and transponders) out of a good portion of our gliders because they were not certificated with an electrical system. Handheld radios don't work well in a metal box, and gliders don't give a very good radar return.

These are the same people that went after us for not having an A&P sign off on the airplane every time we put one together after taking it out of it's trailer.

In my experience FSDOs aren't actually concerned with safe operations, they exist to say, "don't blame us" if something goes bad. They're the same people who say, "this would be a great place to work if it wasn't for all the airplanes on the ramp and the pilots who fly them."

 

[ChuckMK23]

TINS- the Richmond, VA FSDO made the soaring club I belong to remove the batteries and electric instruments (to include radios and transponders) out of a good portion of our gliders because they were not certificated with an electrical system. Handheld radios don't work well in a metal box, and gliders don't give a very good radar return.

These are the same people that went after us for not having an A&P sign off on the airplane every time we put one together after taking it out of it's trailer.

In my experience FSDOs aren't actually concerned with safe operations, they exist to say, "don't blame us" if something goes bad. They're the same people who say, "this would be a great place to work if it wasn't for all the airplanes on the ramp and the pilots who fly them."

Spot on @Swanee - this is a reflection of my own experience managing a club and with individual aircraft ownership. Compliance over practical safety. Its killing the GA community. Pilots and owner/operators should treat every FSDO interaction as a jeopardy event.