No clue. But I hope not. Too many pilots can "fly instruments" and can't "fly" worth a shit.
My impression is there was a lot less emphasis on formation than I remember.
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Air Force v.s. Navy Culture Differences
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My impression is there was a lot less emphasis on formation than I remember.
Seems fairly similiar to Navy for t6's, I had about 50 in the t44 and 100 in the t45, but spread out over 3ish years
I felt like t6 was more an exposure to form, we got a lot more and actualy got comfortable flying form in the 45
That's not that far off from the T-34 syllabus, as well. I had 110 hours out of the VTs, but I also did all my Primary RI sims in the aircraft, so that boosted my numbers.
@HuggyU2 I don't know which track the T-1 syllabus is, but 60 hours isn't a big number so I can understand your trepidation. Then again, to learn to fly the -60B, I had 60-ish hours, but there was a lot of sim time on top of that. I think the -60R flight time is about the same for a CAT 1...maybe plus a couple for the TAC flights.
In the current climate/situation, yes. Not speaking historical. Double especially for anyone who has a diversity attribute.
Not much has changed @Gatordev. CAT I -60R syllabus is still roughly 60 hours. The bulk of tactics is done in the sim.
You're not wrong.
Back in 2020, UPT tried and "America's Class" of students. IIRC, it had around 8 women and 8 minorities out of about 28 students. The goal was to see if this would change anything.
I don't know how it worked out and I don't know if they are still doing something similar.
The previous Chief had some comments of note back in 2018: https://www.airforcemag.com/Goldfein-Solutions-for-the-Pilot-Crisis-Center-on-Diversity/
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How many hours was it prior? Did your son get a lot of simulator time? Sorry for all the questions, pretty curious about this
@HuggyU2 I am in Columbus, Indiana this week with 35 active duty AF E-3, 4, 5's (all with 4 year degrees) and 1/2 Lt, Capt's from non pilot career fields. All these folks have already applied to OTS / UPT and did not make the cut. These youngsters will get 10+ hours of dual instruction in a CAP Cessna + a full FAR compliant ground school signed off by CFI's. AETC funded Red Bird training devices are also on-site. After completion, AETC advisors will assist with reapplication and 90% of these people will get OTS (if they are E's) and UPT. The CFI's ae almost exclusively retired AF types and are proudly passionate volunteers.
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Glad the advisors are there to help, that's incredible.
What do you expect to learn from cones?
Haha... enough to make a difference on whether they get hired in the unit.
My kid is a Guardsman, a prior Navigator, and has been commissioned almost 8 years. There are a few IP's that will never be invited to that Guard unit. And at least one that will get a sterling letter of recommendation.
Don't piss off a Guard cone.
Don't remember. But more. And a lot more solo time.
Don't know.
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Dear God. Better not hurt some kid’s fee-fees too much while I teach him how to not kill himself. Is there something I’m missing?
As a matter of fact, there is.
Just because you're my "instructor pilot" does not mean you are someone I want in my unit for the next 10+ years.
And just because you flew with me... and "taught me"... doesn't mean I want you in my unit for the next 10+ years.
The Guard unit invested in the lowly "cone". In this case, Huggy Junior has been there almost 8 years. Oftentimes, a Guard 2Lt was enlisted in that unit for many years prior to their commissioning. Like it or not, their squadron puts weight on what they think about you, Mr (or Miss) IP.
The pilot training arena has a lot of IP's. Some of them are assholes. If you're one of them, then don't expect to get rave reviews from the students you fly with.
As the Chief Interview Pilot for the U-2 for many years, I dealt with this sort of thing a lot. And there were lot of people that didn't get the interview because... well... their street cred sucked. For a variety of reasons. On rare occasions, they make it to the interview and we figure out they are someone that really won't fit in well with us and our mission. In some cases, I knew the person from a past life... and wanted nothing to do with them.
Maybe my "fee-fees" were hurt. Or maybe the pilot in question was rude / unprofessional / immature / shitty pilot / shitty communicator / no fun / no-load-didn't-pull-their-own-weight /a lack of social skills douchebag.
Irrespective of the reason... they never got an opportunity. We take about 16 pilots a year, so finding a quality applicant isn't too hard. When it comes to an interviewee... "if there's doubt, then there's no doubt".
Guard units also have an interview process. And Guard units take on a lot less than 16 pilots per year. But Johnston & Murphy needs shoe clerks, so try there.
Cry me a river.
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