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nodropinufaka
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Looks like you are confusing some things. If you aren't I apologize for the explanation.
The link you posted about ALUSNA and SDO/DATT is a different pipeline then FAOs. FAOs can be SDO/DATT but so can any URL or RL designator accepted into the Defense Attaché Pipeline.
You don't necessarily have to be a FAO to be in the Defense Attaché Program. DAOs do no have language requirements like FAOs do. Which is why it makes even less sense to me to make it requirement.
So why make Foreign Area Officers have the requirement but the larger encompassing program of Defense Attaches not have it?
No doubt knowing culture and language is important but you would likely pick it up living in the country. No reason to send someone to learn it at DLI and make it a requirement.
nodropinufaka
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Interesting. No I have not thought about it. But now I am.
In the reserves i have made it quite far with the mentality "never know unless you ask" and got all sorts of good schools and orders. So thanks for the heads up to look into it.
nodropinufaka
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Im gonna use this opportunity to post about JSOU.
Lots of interesting courses for security cooperation and embassies and are available to anyone in the reserves using ADT through CNRFC N7. All telework.
Lots of interesting courses for security cooperation and embassies and are available to anyone in the reserves using ADT through CNRFC N7. All telework.
Aren’t there some pretty good master’s degree programs from JSOC/SOCOM, too?
I have heard rumors but would like to learn more.
I have heard rumors but would like to learn more.
Ok, but is this just more Reserve coursework that doesn't lead to anything, or could I actually use this to get in on some of those said opportunities overseas?
nodropinufaka
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Yes.
To work with a country team you will need at the minimum Security Cooperation Course. Most of the class with be SCOs on their way to their first assignment. That one teaches you all about embassy structures, authorities like 333, 284, and others, IMET, and you go over the security cooperation documents.
Following that is the interagency seminar and further training.
Having just lived in a foreign country for two years after having taken the language at DLI (not a FAO), I disagree. While being in country absolutely helps your language comprehension and cultural awareness, showing up without a firm foundation in that language is a recipe for failure, especially if you’re expecting to learn the language while working a full-time job. It’s absolutely true that not every FAO posting requires language proficiency, but for those that do, you definitely want a baseline understanding beforehand.
I’m certainly not questioning your professional experience or the anecdotes you’ve heard from the FAOs you’ve worked with, but it is the exact opposite of what I’ve heard from the FAOs that went through DLI with me. For example, one is currently an instructor at the German Naval Academy, where he works entirely in German. Incidentally, he is actually going back to DLI prior to his next tour on the DCO staff at the Bulgarian embassy to learn Bulgarian.
An FAO (if stationed overseas) can be just that much better at their job (if it involves working directly with foreigners) if they are comfortable in the language of that country.
nodropinufaka
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It can help for sure. No doubt it can only be beneficial to understand the language and local culture.
But If SDO/DATT who holds a larger footprint in embassies then FAOs don’t require it then I see no reason for FAOs to have it as a requirement.
But If SDO/DATT who holds a larger footprint in embassies then FAOs don’t require it then I see no reason for FAOs to have it as a requirement.
COCOMs and sub-unified commands don't offer masters degrees. They may have programs whereby they send their permanent party personnel to certain institutions, but those would be SOCOM-specific and aligned with the needs of the NSW community or the people who support them. Masters degrees in DOD come from the normal service colleges, or from accredited civilian institutions. There is no SOCOM MS in Secret Squirreliness, nor is there an MA in Culinary Herpetology.
nodropinufaka
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these are short classes for individuals. Can use AT or ADT to attend.
I kmow a guy who went to Harvard KSG through something special warfare related. I’ll have to ask him.
If any of you are not yet O4's I would highly recommend focusing on what's in the community brief to be competitive. Especially the 1835's: your communities' promotion rates to O4 are horrid.
A couple questions:
- Can your “proven skill in ____” be from civilian skills, or does it have to be DoD/Navy? (i.e. does it have to be an official NOBC, AQD, or FITREP bullet that is captured somewhere in your record)
- Why is “critical language skills” still showing up here? Especially for O4s. smh
- What happens to “Completion of IA tour” if CNRFC is saying “no more IA tours”? Or, is that memo just aimed at communities other than Intel?
- I don’t know what JQ2 or IWOIC are but I’ll go look them up when I get a chance.
The promotion board cares about your Navy experience. And the proven skill can be in the form of an AQD/NOBC or FITREPs with appropriate langauge.
Not a clue. It's a freaking joke.
Again, not a clue.
AQD and NOBC info is here. JQ2 is Joint Qualified Level II. Good luck with Joint Qualification.
IWOIC is Information Warfare Officer Intermediate Course (IWOIC). Any NAVIFOR O3/O4 can apply to attend this active duty course via CNRFC N7. There are limited seats for Reservists and CNRFC N7 fields the applications, via your NAVIFOR region. I was accepted to attend the course, but my former CO (who was subsequently removed from command) would not approve my orders to attend even though it was CNRFC N7 funded. If you can get a slot, take it. Not many people focus on this and they should.