Devil Duck
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MrsBND, in addition to recruiters (of which ther are several, myself excluded) there are plenty of sea lawyers. What's your question?
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2010 DCO/DIRCOM boards: questions, answers, and discussion
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Well it's been a while and the sting of rejection is easier to handle.
I had a follow up meeting with my recruiter and she is pushing me towards enlisted reserves because "there are no other boards scheduled anytime soon." Going active is not an option right now because of school. She is telling me that if I want to be in the Navy now enlisted is the way to go. Is that right? Regardless, I'm getting conflicting opinions as to the pros and cons. So are the benefits of going enlisted and later applying for a DCO vs. simply waiting to join after getting a DCO? Would I be more rounded by going through BT at Great Lakes vs. just walking in as a civilian? What grade would someone with experience, graduate degree, but NPS expect to join as? E-4, E-5?
Sorry to derail but I don't think that I'm the only one wondering the same thing.
I had a follow up meeting with my recruiter and she is pushing me towards enlisted reserves because "there are no other boards scheduled anytime soon." Going active is not an option right now because of school. She is telling me that if I want to be in the Navy now enlisted is the way to go. Is that right? Regardless, I'm getting conflicting opinions as to the pros and cons. So are the benefits of going enlisted and later applying for a DCO vs. simply waiting to join after getting a DCO? Would I be more rounded by going through BT at Great Lakes vs. just walking in as a civilian? What grade would someone with experience, graduate degree, but NPS expect to join as? E-4, E-5?
Sorry to derail but I don't think that I'm the only one wondering the same thing.
For which program? INTEL? PAO? IW? EDO? METOC? If she can't give you any specific information then I would call B.S.
Take that with a grain of salt, especially if she is trying to push you into a particular rate.
Many people do this to enhance their package.
IMHO, yes.
Which enlisted rate? IS? MC?
In today's Navy Reserve, it is very common to see Enlisted Sailors with degrees, many with advanced degrees.
Recruiter Issues
I understand that the current economic situation as pushed many towards the military making recruiters very busy; however, I have literally been fighting with this person every step of the way. Had I not been very aggressive during my application process I would not have even made it to the March board, and to be honest I was really surprised my package made it in its entirety. I have taken the time to addressed my concerns (in a detail quantified manner) with the more senior recruiter in that office with no luck--I get the we are busy and this is a very lengthy process generic answer. I send this person simple "yes" or "no" questions in email and get NO response. I can not even ask this person important questions regarding things that I have to do, let alone those more trivial like what I will need to do or prepare myself for regarding my training courses. I have been selected for the DCO program through this recruiter, but want to switch to another recruiter. Is this possible, and if so, how can I go about it? I tried to switch recruiters back in January when I spoke with the more senior member and was told they were too busy. Who can I go to now?
I understand that the current economic situation as pushed many towards the military making recruiters very busy; however, I have literally been fighting with this person every step of the way. Had I not been very aggressive during my application process I would not have even made it to the March board, and to be honest I was really surprised my package made it in its entirety. I have taken the time to addressed my concerns (in a detail quantified manner) with the more senior recruiter in that office with no luck--I get the we are busy and this is a very lengthy process generic answer. I send this person simple "yes" or "no" questions in email and get NO response. I can not even ask this person important questions regarding things that I have to do, let alone those more trivial like what I will need to do or prepare myself for regarding my training courses. I have been selected for the DCO program through this recruiter, but want to switch to another recruiter. Is this possible, and if so, how can I go about it? I tried to switch recruiters back in January when I spoke with the more senior member and was told they were too busy. Who can I go to now?
Boston2184
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GIJ316 - Spoke with my recruiter last week, he said the EDO boards did meet recently around the same time the IDC boards met (23-25MAR2010) however they are slower to release the selection results. I'm expecting to hear the results this week and I'll post something up as soon as I do. Fortunately I seem to have lucked out with a better recruiter who is very responsive out of Rhode Island.
That would be great. I will be watching for any signal that the results have been posted. Good luck to you.
Thanks for your feedback. I have some follow up for you.
She said that there's nothing for INTEL for the rest of the year and I'd be looking at coming in as an IS2 or IS1.
My uncle is against me going in as enlisted and even suggests that I try to become a Coastie before I go down that route. He is telling me that BT is for "a bunch of kids that have no discipline or education that need to be shaped up." He doesn't hide his feelings very well. So what are the benefits that you believe BT and enlisted has?
Is it common to be working on your doctorate and still be enlisted?
She said that there's nothing for INTEL for the rest of the year and I'd be looking at coming in as an IS2 or IS1.
My uncle is against me going in as enlisted and even suggests that I try to become a Coastie before I go down that route. He is telling me that BT is for "a bunch of kids that have no discipline or education that need to be shaped up." He doesn't hide his feelings very well. So what are the benefits that you believe BT and enlisted has?
Is it common to be working on your doctorate and still be enlisted?
I suppose it depends on one's definition of "soon", but the next IDC (Intel, IW, IP) DCO board is scheduled for September 2010.
To echo what bubblehead said, there are plenty of ways to take this...because you're younger, you can indeed go enlisted reserves to enhance your package, and many have. Additionally, going enlisted reserves essentially "freezes" your age, because you're given year-for-year service credit (up to age 50) past the commissioning deadline of 42. That said, it will likely be a few years before you can expect to effectively try for DCO again if you go this route.
That said, many recruiters who urge someone to go for the enlisted reserves after just one non-select and start saying things like there's "no boards anytime soon" when one is already scheduled for your community of interest may have ulterior motives. I don't have a position on this personally, but I have seen the following repeated many times here: if you want to be an officer, don't let a recruiter push you to enlisted so soon, unless there are simply no other options.
Another strategy may be to do some specific things in your community, school, work, etc., to enhance your leadership experience, wait until you finish and/or are closer to finishing your PhD, and try again for DCO. Since the DCO boards for the IDC communities will be joint from here on, it is reasonable to believe there will probably be a board every six months or so. Not all communities may have slots at every board, but Intel would probably always have slots at each board.
More common every day...
I think the main issue with DCO vs other commissioning programs like ROTC, OCS, or the service academies, is that they're not only looking for expertise and academic credentials, but significant demonstrated leadership experience. That said, all the program authorizations say officially is really a bachelors degree and "leadership experience or the potential to lead". In reality, many folks have advanced degrees, years of enlisted or other government service, solid management and leadership experience, etc. The only direct commission communities where this doesn't really matter (as much) are the traditional direct commission disciplines of doctors, lawyers, and clergy. The Navy is unique among the services in the extensiveness of use of direct accessions like this for the reserves; this makes the applicant pool a formidable group!
She does not know what she is talking about. As das said, the next Information Dominance Corps (IDC) DCO board, which encompasses Intel, IW, and IP, is scheduled for September 2010.
She is telling you that you will come in as an IS2 (i.e., E-5) or as an IS1 (i.e., E-6)?!?! Unless there is some program that I have not heard of, this is complete BS.
In all seriousness, it's time to get a new recruiter who will give you the facts.
RedShirtEnsign
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The recruiter may have meant "nothing for Intel for the rest of the FISCAL year." If memory serves, the fiscal year runs through August (?). The Sept. board would presumably pull in people for the next fiscal year. I have noticed other recruiters using the same terminology, and I almost did not submit a packet because of confusion on that last year.
Perhaps, and that would be true: the last FY10 board was March 2010 board, and the first FY11 board is September 2010. That said, the next board being six months away isn't an eternity...
The fiscal year starts 1 Oct and ends 30 Sep.
...and just for absolute clarity, the September 2010 board is still for FY11 (even though the board isn't conducted in FY11).