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CellShock

Active Member
I've taken the GRE and the ASTB and studied for both. I would say the GRE math prep can be useful for math on the ASTB. I think that there were more word problems on the ASTB though (for me at least) and I didn't really have those with the GRE. Using the GRE study materials will help you develop your math intuition and definitely help, I think. Also, I think you should try for this board with those recent scores anyway. They are not bad scores, imo. I wouldn't rush to retest.
 

BlueSky94

Member
I've taken the GRE and the ASTB and studied for both. I would say the GRE math prep can be useful for math on the ASTB. I think that there were more word problems on the ASTB though (for me at least) and I didn't really have those with the GRE. Using the GRE study materials will help you develop your math intuition and definitely help, I think. Also, I think you should try for this board with those recent scores anyway. They are not bad scores, imo. I wouldn't rush to retest.

I graduate in May 2017 so I got plenty of time if I want to retake the test or not. My GPA is currently 2.8, majoring in math.

Since my grades aren't that good, I need slightly higher ASTB scores to compensate for the board.
 

AT2 Hyatt

New Member
Good evening,

This is my first time posting to the site. I have been a member since November. I am active duty navy currently a recruiter. I am in the process of putting together my OCS application. I am taking ASTB for the second time. First time I took it was June 2014 41 2/2/3. I did not study and let my nerves get the best of me from the time I started driving to the NORS and all throughout the test. I ended up completing the whole thing in under 1 1/2 hrs. I was to worried about finishing each section that I definitely rushed through the exam. I am hoping this time around I do better. The program I am applying for is AMDO. I am scheduled to take the OAR portion Tuesday and the remainder the following Wednesday. I have been studying for a two months hoping for better results. I figured the next few days I brush up on the math and mechanical comprehension. If I pass, I will use the next week to drill the AQR material. I have reviewed some of the gouges posted on the forum and the Khan academy website. I have found that website a great refresher for math. Has anyone used the site to study for the test? If so, was it helpful? For the AQR I downloaded the CRAM app, listened to private pilot lessons, and studying NAVEDTRA 14014. If anyone has some advice or other ideas on what they found helpful during their prep (especially for staying relaxed) I would appreciate. Also, if you have questions about navy eligibility, program requirements, etc.. feel free to message me.
 
Just took it on Thursday. First off a huge thanks to everyone who has posted their experiences here. Reading through and studying based off of this thread was a huge part of my preparation to take the ASTB. I'm primarily interested in SWO, but took the full ASTB as my recruiter asked me to (is it needed for intel?) So a slightly different perspective below on what is difficult about the aviation half of the test.

Scores
OAR: 70, AQR: 9, PFAR: 8, FOFAR: 8

Math:
I either took the full 40 minutes or was cut-off ~15 seconds before the end, I'm not sure which.
Nos: No matrices, no logarithms (I think there was nothing I was supposed to solve with them...), no work rate x/10 + x/15 = 1 type questions. No binomial theorem 2 out of four children type questions (but was still worth figuring out thoroughly to understand probabilities better.)
Yes: Questions on test averages asked in slightly difficult/strange ways, a complicated and weird system of equations type question (sorry, I don't remember it well enough to describe it), negative exponents with fractions, special properties of equilateral/scalene/isosceles triangles, pizza/area/arc conversion, a very simple rates question (which I completely blanked on how to do annoyingly), a few simple probabilities.

Reading:
This went fine. I always hate critical reading sections due to always having 2 I think work as answers just fine, but do very well on them. I assume this was true here as well. Very dry material as others have stated, this was the only section where I got quite distracted, just due to being so bored by it rather than anything distracting occurring in the rest of the office. I think I was cut off, but couldn't say for sure. No good suggestions for how to study for it.

Mechanics:
I think I was cut off, but it was only 15 minutes, so I could just be remembering that because of how short the section was.
Nos: No gears, no circuits, I actually think there was no electricity at all.
Yes: My third question was a bizarre one related to protons approaching the speed of light in a particular device - I had and have no idea what the answer is/was. A couple questions related to d = vt + 1/2at^2, which oddly was not covered in any of the prep books I used. Does buoyancy depend on temperature? There was some sort of angular velocity/momentum/acceleration question, I didn't know how to do it (I gave up on learning the angular stuff.) No real mechanical advantage questions. Every question I had was about pulleys in systems where the MA was 1...

Aviation:
The Nautical/Aviation history section went about as expected. Some nautical stuff I knew just because of having been interested for my whole life and reading the right materials. Some stuff I had no idea about. And the aviation stuff was a bit of a mess. I didn't specifically study for this section, but I did get curious and read through the relevant bit of the study guide posted here and the Barron's review book.

UAV section:
East and west... I got several wrong because I confused the two. I definitely recommend the drawing a compass trick suggested earlier in this thread, I hadn't intended to do that but as soon as I saw what the test was on the day of, I drew it, it helped tremendously.

The rest of the aviation section:
Like everyone says, you walk out of there thinking you did terribly regardless of how well you actually did. I thought it was the most hilariously sadistic fun computer game I had played in a while. I think I did well on this section because 1. I am a huge computer gamer and 2. I have used a joystick with inverted controls before. To study for this section you want to practice using a joystick and simultaneous multi-tasking. A few studying ideas (not suggestions since I didn't specifically try any of them prior to the test.) In no particular order:
  • Ibb & Obb is a two player co-op same screen game. It has a mode where you can play both characters yourself on a single keyboard. I suggest doing this and making a genuine effort to control them both simultaneously, not sequentially.
  • Pinball: Buy some food. Borrow a friend's laptop for ~30 minutes, put 3d pinball for windows - space cadet (or any other pinball game) on their laptop and your own. Place the laptops next to each other, sit between them and play both games simultaneously (configure the controls so that your hands don't need to dart all over the keyboards.) Your friend can sit, eat your food and laugh at you as you struggle.
  • Starcraft 2: Play online, force yourself to be competitive about it, pay attention to your actions per minute on the score screen at the end of the game - try to increase it every time you play! This will make it more stressful, which is the point. Starcraft 2 forces multitasking to an insane degree.
  • You can add the listening to any of this if you want to practice that as well.
The idea with any/all of the above is just to practice multitasking simultaneously rather than just sequentially as we all do normally. Try to get used to having one eye look at one thing and the other looking at another. I do not know for certain if these ideas will work, but I do think they well stress you in similar ways to the actual test.

Studied:
Barron's - Very useful starting point. Fairly thorough. Does not aim to prepare you for the most difficult questions you will face, but rather the average question.
Accepted - Has a test, maybe two? Overall not worth the cost.
Dummies - Very useful end point. I initially ignored this one since it had some questions involving sin/cos which could not be solved except with a calculator, but that was a mistake. Skip the trig questions you can't do without a calculator, force yourself do all the other questions without a calculator. It also had the best study materials by far. I felt like I was studying material more difficult than was likely to show up on the test, which is how I like to study so that I can forget the most difficult subjects and still be good to go.
Peterson - Frankly don't remember. Didn't hate it. Didn't love it. It may have been the first book I used.
ARCO/GRE math book - I didn't remember how to do long division or even basic written out multiplication before I started studying in September. Pathetic, I know. This book won't cover everything you need to know, but if you are a liberal arts / social "science" major who needs a quick run through of math starting from elementary school - this is your book.
Marine Gauge - Useful, another perspective on the same material.
Basic Machines and How They Work - Great. (If you have the time.) This book/pdf, just google it, covered simple to complex machines in far greater depth than any of the other materials. For that reason I think it was worth the day I spent studying it. (I should note that other than feeling slightly more mechanically competent there was very little on my test covered here.)
This thread - I went through more or less this entire thread and pulled out all of the examples that people wrote that they saw on their tests, made a study packet and made sure I knew how to do every last one of them. This was by far the most worthwhile thing I did while studying.
ASTB Personal Study Guide (from this thread) - The second most worthwhile thing to study. Seriously, study this, it will help more than everything else.
My Study Guide - I found myself glazing over whenever I tried to study by the end so I tested what I knew by writing a small study guide of materials not covered in the study guide here. I thought this was actually a very effective way of learning the material better than I had before - I certainly felt much more comfortable with it afterwards.

Apologies for how long-winded I was. Thank you very much again to everyone who posted here! I'm attaching here the mini material I made for myself in case it helps anyone else.
 

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Ntn027

New Member
Hi guys, im new here and really hope to get any advice or info on how to study well for the OAR. I took it the first time and I studied it off the thin booklet, which I bought from amazon, and I ended up with a score of 42. My score is too low because whatever I study was not related to the test. I really hope to get any advices on how to study or which book I need to buy since I'm taking it again in April.
 
Personal option: The best thing to study are the previous responses here and in the other large ASTB-E thread. What you study from that all has appeared on the test before (which is no guarantee that it will appear on yours of course.) Somewhere earlier in this thread is the ASTB Personal Study guide, that will serve you well. As will the Marine Gauge. There is a sample test somewhere online, I think the NOMI website but could be wrong about that - a quick google will turn it up. In terms of books to buy & study Barron's and "for Dummies" I think have the best materials. For both of those books I'd suggest doing relevant portions of the practice tests for the other services and not limiting yourself to the practice tests they say are specifically geared towards the ASTB. One other thing about those books - they both have errors in the material for math/physics. All the errors I saw were fairly obvious typo types of errors (the weight of a truck changing mid example, etc.), so if you think you understand the material and the book is wrong - it may well be.
 
Well guys.. ASTB round 2 for me tomorrow at 7:30am Eastern Time. I took it for the first time back in January of last year and I feel so much more confident this time around. Hopefully I can raise my scores from a 48 5/6/6 to the scores we all have seen as being competitive. I'm just hoping all this hard work pays off. Thank you to everyone in advance! I'll try and post my experience sometime tomorrow!
 
Okay guys, so before I get started on my overview. I originally took the test in January of 2015 and got a 45 5/6/6 (Typo in my last post, I didn't get an OAR:48) and took it for the second time today and received a 47 7/8/7. Though I had hoped to increase my OAR substantially, I was only able to raise it by two points which kind of bummed me out, but I am definitely happy with my aviation related scores improving a lot.

Math: I don't feel like I could've been more prepared for this section. The time ran out before I could finish this section and I'm guessing this is where I lost some points towards my OAR. I didn't get any logs, matrices, fractional exponents, radicals etc. If I remember correctly, it seemed like eery single one o my questions was a word problem. I remember comparing two cylinders that shared the same height, but different volumes, some rate questions, an average grade question except it had HW, Test scores, Final Exam, and participation all at different weights for the final score, probably 3-4 questions on probability, etc. This section was a lot harder than the first time I took the test, so I'm surprised I didn't do as well on this section given the amount of time I studied and how prepared I felt... Don't let this discourage you though, every test is different, and some questions people may be better suited to answer based on their math background and experience.

Reading: The first time I took the ASTB I got a lot of boring Naval info type passages and it was very dry.. This time around there were a lot of passages about random info with barely any of them relating to Naval info. Everyone on Air Warriors has said you can't really study for this. Maybe being a good reader would help on this section, but I'm not entirely sure? Process of elimination is key.

Mechanical Comp: I studied a good deal on this leading up to my second ASTB and felt a lot more prepared going in this time. I definitely feel like I did a lot better this time around than I did the first time I took the test. I got some fulcrum questions, the nuclear reactor question, f=ma questions, I=v/r questions, a schematic question, the question about what happens when you drop a bullet and fire one from a straight and level gun (hit the ground at the same time). The football question about kicking it in the CG (doesn't tumble or roll while in the air). I think that's all I can remember for that section.

Naval Aviation/Nautical Terms and History: Luckily I memorized answers to a bunch of naval history questions that people posted on Air Warriors in which I was probably asked 6-7 questions and probably only got one wrong. Orlop, poop deck, what controls what movement about what axis, a question about what shirt means what on an aircraft carrier. What does CVBG mean? (Large Carrier Battle Group). Know planform. Aspect ratio. Dissimilar Lift. TACAN. Effect of aircraft performance if there's ice on the wing. Weight of AvGas in lbs. (6lb per gal). A question about what war the longest dog fight in history occurred in. (Pretty sure it was WWII) Angle of Attack. What does 5 whistle blasts mean?

Which aircraft first escorted bombers into enemy territory? P-38 Lightning
Which aircraft broke the sound barrier first? XS-1
Best known dive bomber in WWII used by USN? Dauntless
What is an F9F Panther? Jet
What was the first "heavy carrier based bomber?" Sky warrior
Strategic Air Commands frontline bomber in the 1950s? B-36
In what battle was the Japanese super battleship Musashi sunk? Battle of Leyte Gulf
What airplane was the main torpedo bomber used in WWII that flew for the Navy for 15 years? Avenger

UAV: Definitely use the compass heading trick on a small piece of paper when doing this section. I didn't know this trick the first time I took the ASTB and it definitely saved me this time around. Make sure not to get cocky or trigger happy though.. I managed to get 100% of these right in about 1.8-3.5 seconds each on average. Definitely don't sacrifice reaction time for accuracy, but don't spend 6 seconds trying to figure it out either. The compass heading trick with a piece of paper can be found all over Air Warriors, just use the search function.

Joystick: TILT YOUR EAR TO THE DIRECTION OF THE TARGET EAR. This trick is a life saver. My right ear seemed easier than my left ear because the voice in the right ear occurred probably about a half second faster than the left ear every time. I didn't know this trick the first time I took the ASTB either and it helped this time tremendously. Also, do your best not to overcorrect the joystick or the throttle when trying to track the targets on the screen.. They're very touchy and sometimes laggy, make decisive small movements. One thing that definitely helped me this time around also was memorizing the emergency procedures before I was even in the test building. FIRE: BOTH KNOBS DOWN, PRESS CLUTCH. ENGINE MALFUNCTION: BOTH KNOBS UP, PRESS CLUTCH. PROP FAILURE: ONE KNOB NEUTRAL, ONE UP, PRESS CLUTCH

Overall, I'm happy my aviation related scores improved as much as they did. I'm not happy about my OAR at all, but I feel as though the rest of my packet will help compensate for having an average/non competitive OAR score. My recruiter is a former aviator and he said I shouldn't worry about my OAR based on how the rest of my packet looks. What do you guys think?

Best advice to pass on to my fellow applicants:

Start by building a good foundation. Start with the basics.. Brush up on basic math, mechanical comp, aviation/nautical terminology, etc. Once you've mastered the basics, then start challenging yourself. Take notes, underline, make flashcards on important need to know info. If you don't fully understand something, just google it and find more info that can help give you a better grasp of things. Regardless of how much you study, it's almost guaranteed that there is going to be some things you just don't know or weren't entirely prepared for. The best way to alleviate this is by using this site and all of its resources. Don't just rely on one or two posts about the ASTB on Air Warriors, read EVERYTHING regarding the ASTB from December 2013 forward. If someone says it's important to know, its important to know. Remember, everyone's background, knowledge, and experience varies so some will naturally do better than others and some just have to work a little harder to get competitive scores.

Below I have attached every resource that I used. Good luck!
 

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Caesium

Blue is my favorite color
It's been said a thousand times before, but I just want to give all of you guys some serious thanks for all the effort you've put into helping out those following in your footsteps. It really is unbelievable how useful a resource this thread is thanks to y'all.
 

JJ10

New Member
That is a weird score, I believe the first score is based off of your math/mech/reading.

For Physics: you might try playing with some physics sets or taking your old physics book out and reading through some sections. If you don't have one, I can recommend one to you. Don't get frustrated, physics is very counter-intuitive. You can also try watching the Khan academy videos. You can also try finding youtube videos explaining things you weren't too comfortable with during the test (ie: pulleys).
For math: do lots of problems. I found a website where people posted word problems online and did quite a few of those, along with the ARCO officer candidate book and flight aptitude test book problems. When I came across a problem I had a hard time figuring out, I would copy it down on a word document and create a drill sheet with it. Every day that I studied, I would first go through the drill sheet and solve all the problems.
For written: didn't really do much. You could try GRE or GMAT reading comprehension practice tests.

If you want my drill sheet, let me know.
Do you still have that drill sheet?
 

JJ10

New Member
Hi everybody,

Quick question: Has anyone been hearing rumors that if you took the old version of the ASTB and then decide to take the new version, you can choose which score to submit? I know this is contrary to the policies of both the new and old exams, so I was skeptical. I took the old version two years ago as a freshman and got 8-7-7, but the only reason I took it was because my LT told us it wouldn't count as one of our 3 attempts, so we could essentially use it as a practice run. Now I don't know if I want to try to improve my score or just sit on that one (I really think I could have done better). Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

You keep the newest scores; going through the same thing myself and spoke with NAMI directly
 

Stanley

New Member
Alright first off, I want to thank every person in these 222 pages that have posted any questions, answers and experiences I read through all of it and it truly all helped. A lot of what I'm going to say is similar to what is on this thread but Ill say it anyways because I have been waiting to be able to post my experience!

Math: I thought this would be my strength and it was probably my weakness. Simple but not as easy as lets say the barons practice tests that I got a 100 on. Simplifying exponents from fractions that was my first question. I had a simple probability one, rates like this guy goes north going 8 mph 2 hours later another guy leaves going 40 mph how long does it take for the second person to catch up? But the most helpful thing was probably THE study guide floating around here I think I posted it again a few pages back I think the guy who made it is aatrick? I had about 3 almost identical but different number questions on there.

Reading: Bleh very dry like everyone says it is, simple enough though just use process of elimination.

Mechanical: This was a lot easier than I thought it would be. Very simple physics. I had a simple electricity V=IR, bernoullis principle, velocity of water as path narrows, barons and aatricks guide helped a lot here.

Aviation and Nautical: No history I was very happy as thats my weakness, lots of things about parts of an airplane (like what controls pitch), there was one that asked about the prefix on a helicopter it was the MH- something and it asked what the MH was for basically I didn't know it. Overall very happy and I think this pumped up my score.

UAV: Use the sheet of paper trick and when you are getting them correct do NOT stray from the paper, I got cocky and every time I stopped using the paper trick I just got it wrong lol. About 3 or 4 times I think theres like 50 of these.

Performance based measures: I did tilt my ear and it actually did help. I don't know if this is the point of it but the way it really helped me was the fact that you remember what ear you are supposed to be listening to. The tracking is bullshit honestly, its hard when they put the vertical and the joystick tracking together. But this is when tilting your ear really helped, because of the chaos of tracking, I forgot what ear I was listening to half of the time and would remember because my head was tilted that way already. Complete chaos though just do your best keep trying and you will do fine.

This was my first time taking it I got a 55 8/8/7 and I would just recommend reading through this and aatricks study guide. That was enough for me.

Can you send me the link of aatricks study guide? Thanks!
***NVM - I saw your post. Thanks!
 

thecrimsnchin

Active Member
Took mine last Monday which was my first attempt. Didn't finish the Math and Reading portions in time. Did well enough on the physics portion that it started throwing me relativity questions. UAV portion averaged around 3-4s, none wrong. Read through this thread for a couple pages and read through the Barron's study guide once. Pretty much blew the Naval aviation knowledge sections except for the questions about aircraft.


Score: 76 9/9/9

Pleased and not going to take it again.
 

koliver

Well-Known Member
Took mine last Monday which was my first attempt. Didn't finish the Math and Reading portions in time. Did well enough on the physics portion that it started throwing me relativity questions. UAV portion averaged around 3-4s, none wrong. Read through this thread for a couple pages and read through the Barron's study guide once. Pretty much blew the Naval aviation knowledge sections except for the questions about aircraft.


Score: 76 9/9/9

Pleased and not going to take it again.


Damn dude whats your secret?!
 
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