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Are you going for aviation? If so, the LORs don't carry much at all. My recruiter didn't have me do any.Quick question regarding LORs. I have three LORs so far. 2 Vice Admirals (yes, I know them personally) and 1 from a Cabinet Secretary (also yes, I know him personally). I’m working on getting my scores up from my previous OAR. If I score within the high 40s low 50s, how well will my LORs carry me? I also am prior experience with multiple leadership roles inside and outside the military.
Why is that? Did he explain it to you at all? I'm currently in Pensacola as an instructor. Will be submitting my package in December and was actually curious about the LOR's. I've heard mixed feelings about them. I'll be submitting for NFO.Are you going for aviation? If so, the LORs don't carry much at all. My recruiter didn't have me do any.
He didn't really explain it to me, but from what I've gathered, the ASTB scores and GPA are really what makes or breaks you. Those numbers get put into a calculator to see if you're competitive or not. The other stuff in your application is just fluff, at least for aviation. For other communities, though, LORs are definitely needed. Just depends on the community I guess.Why is that? Did he explain it to you at all? I'm currently in Pensacola as an instructor. Will be submitting my package in December and was actually curious about the LOR's. I've heard mixed feelings about them. I'll be submitting for NFO.
Hey guys, just walked out of my 2nd attempt at the ASTB today, so I'll share my bit, since this thread is is legitimately the most helpful thing on the planet. A HUGE thanks to all the folks who posted on here. Couldn't have done it without you guys taking the time to help dumb guys like me. I apologize if this post gets long.
First Attempt - 10 Sept. 18: 57 7/6/6
Second Attempt - 17 Oct. 18: 64 9/9/9
A bit of background, I'm a senior majoring in Electrical Engineering, so I (thought I) had an advantage in the math and slight advantage in mechanical comprehension. I have zero background in aviation, but I was a Navy JROTC cadet for 4 years in high school, so the nautical/naval stuff came a little bit easier, but not by much. I'm stoked with my score, because I really do need it, since my GPA is a piece of crap.
Before I took the test for the first time, I spent about 3 weeks during the summer doing nothing but studying, and I was lucky enough to talk to Rudygoff10, who got a 72 9/9/9, and he sent me a boatload of study materials, including the Aegis group, Trivium, and Test prep books and online study guides already posted.
The books are okay for practice problems, but they SUCK at explaining concepts all the way through, with the exception of the aviation/nautical stuff. Although I didn't need it, Rudy recommends Khan Academy videos on YouTube for those of you guys who aren't so hot at math and/or mechanics. For aviation information, I watched the Pilot Training System video playlist on YouTube, and it goes over the relevant bits from the FAA PHAK. I'm a visual learner, so the videos helped a lot. For nautical information, the online study guide PDFs and Word Docs actually contain more relevant material than the books. Everything you need to know is in this thread, somewhere. If you guys want the links and stuff I used, just message me.
THE TEST (OAR):
MATH: The problems start off really easy and then it gets annoyingly complex. Conceptually, the math is not hard; it's just a lot of really annoying number-crunching. Get used to doing a lot of adding, subtracting, long dividing, and multiplying by hand, as fast as you can, but accurately. The most difficult thing you'll run into is logarithms and exponents. Know your logs and exponents. There are also a good amount of word problems with related rates, i.e. "If person X does something at this speed, and person Y starts off 2 hours later at another speed, how long will it take Y to catch up to X?"
What's funny about this section is that I actually ran out of time on both attempts, so don't worry too much if you do. In short, just practice, practice, practice.
READING: Biggest tip I can give: Choose the statement that can ONLY be deduced from the paragraph, nothing more. Don't overthink it. Other choices may be true, but only one can be directly taken from the paragraph. Other than that, pretty straightforward, and I averaged about 2.5 minutes or so each question.
For me, reading each paragraph aloud helped a LOT. Be sure to each every choice very carefully. Again, practice makes perfect.
MECHANICS: Very little number-crunching and computing as opposed to understanding mechanical concepts. A bit unfair on my end because of my engineering background, but Rudy says "go through any books, guides, or flash cards to find the concepts, then look them up if you need further help. I used Khan Academy, but there's plenty of good ones." Also, know how to convert between Fahrenheit, Celsius, and Kelvin. That's a conceptually easy problem that trips up a lot of people.
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AVIATION/NAUTICAL INFO: This is the section where you either know your stuff, or you don't, and it's the easiest section to improve on by hitting the books, flashcards, and online study guides. Pilot Training System videos were awesome for aviation. For nautical stuff, go with the books, but don't get too caught up with helicopters. For the naval information, know your naval history, especially naval aviation history along with general aviation history, as well as the jobs/rates for naval aviation. I can help you narrow down what you need/don't need to know, and what to look at.
The key here is that once you get more and more questions right, you will run into questions you have no idea what the answer is. Don't panic.
go through any books, guides, or flash cards to find the concepts, then look them up if you need further help. I used Khan Academy, but there's plenty of good ones.
NAVAL AVIATION TRAIT FACET INVENTORY: Most boring section of the test. Just answer the questions, be honest. No wrong answers.
PERFORMANCE-BASED MEASURES BATTERY:
UAV: Use these to practice. (https://www.proprofs.com/flashcards/cardshow.php?title=_36014). Get this flashcard set burned into your mind, and click the parking lot as fast as you can without messing up. Better to go a bit slower and more accurate than fast and wrong. Screen shows heading, ears and screen give you the target. I averaged about 2 seconds each. Compass method was too slow for me.
DICHOTIC LISTENING: Click button on left-hand throttle for odd numbers, pull trigger on right-hand joystick for even. I used Rudy's method to practice: "I probably went overboard and practiced this by using the voice memos function on my iPhone, recording a computer saying strings of numbers and letters, then playing different strings through different headphones and responding. I think it helped but it was probably overkill. Just for clarity it's always one target ear at a time only, characters are said at exactly the same time and volume. "
VERTICAL TRACKING TEST (VTT): Level: Easy. Just track the plane up and down using the throttle on the left-hand side. Get a feel for the controls, and be gentle. Just cranking the throttle super hard will make your cursor go all over place.
AIRCRAFT TRACKING TEST (ATT): Level: Medium. Play video games inverted to sort of get a feel for it. Remember to push FORWARD to go DOWN, PULL BACK to go UP, and LEFT and RIGHT are still the same. My joystick was crappy, so I had to press hard to get the movement. What I did was use my left hand to provide some stability, since it's not doing anything for this test.
COMBO VTT & ATT: Level: Very hard. Just do your best, and try to have some fun. Track one plane with your left hand going up and down, and another plane going all over the place with your joystick. What's confusing is UP and DOWN on the left hand-throttle is still the same, but the right-hand stuff is inverted. The hardest thing was getting over the shock of multi-tasking.
MTT: Level: Hard. Take everything you just did, and toss in the dichotic listening. Here, you should be getting slightly used to the left-hand, right-hand combo. Again, try your best.
EST (EMERGENCY PROCEDURES): Level: Very Hard. NO PRACTICE SECTION. It's the MTT, now tossing in emergency procedures. Focus more on getting the emergency procedures right than tracking the planes. Write down ALL of the procedures and directions they give you for each warning that comes up. Write down which way is 100% and 0% for your thumb and index finger controls. Also, be sure to bring your knobs back to neutral position after each emergency scenario.
That's pretty much all I got! If you have any questions, just message me. Best of luck, you guys!
Thanks, man. My GPA's a piece of crap 2.57 for Electrical Engineering. To be honest with you, I focused more on getting jobs, internships, and practical experience in the real world than in-class bookwork, so my GPA reflects that, but my resume is loaded.WOW congrats! If you dont mind me asking, what was your GPA? (doesnt have to be exact)
how many hours did you study to take the second test?