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This is a ridiculous analogy. First, the idea to switch to the British or Coast Guard model has existed and been debated since long before AllAmerican75 joined the Navy. Let's slow the roll on how new and innovative his idea is. Second, an idea being different doesn't make it good, and even if...

Not being snarky. Point is that it's easy to think lofty thoughts about an end state without knowledge of what it costs to get there. Neither of us have that data. I think it's prohibitively expensive and infeasible and you don't. In the end that's a spitball take on both sides. And even if...

So easy. I wonder why the myriad of Admirals and Congressional committees charged with eliminating the SY backlog couldn't see this... Or maybe you're glossing over a whole lot of details. That's not what the JFMM says.

This doesn't attack the root cause of the fire. This incident can happen regardless of who is responsible. I agree from a QOL and training perspective that the USCG model would be better in drydocked availabilities lasting more than 12 mo. However, it would require a LOT more EDOs and shore...

Your arguments against training civilians and installing temp suppression systems seem relatively easily overcome as long as someone senior enough wants to do it. As for the rest of the stuff... appreciate the download. I've done an eng tour and have experience with both drydocked and pier side...

If you're a commissioned officer there's no 'the Navy' because you and I are a part of that generic term. There are individual people who routinely made risk decisions to do business the way we do because it's never been an issue before and because that was the cheapest and fastest way to get a...

You're talking about the number of people in a duty section and I'm talking about the number of roving watchstanders.

1 and 2: Correct. So what evidence do you or the article's author have that the crew didn't perform up to standards? 3: Also correct. This decision is made by the lead maintenance activity, not the ship's CO. The CO has various levels of influence over it (depending on the type of avail), but...

The SOP prior to Miami was that the FD didn't drill with ships. After the FD all took a tour of subs and had to drill monthly with the ship that included going into it (PNSY). Each SY does business differently, and it's not surprising that hard lessons learned in NH didn't make it to HI. In...

His take isn't bad because of the impact to losing the ship. His take is bad because he is attributing the cause to poor warfare readiness when no facts have been released about the cause of the fire. For all we know it could be another case of arson. It could be someone doing hotwork...

You don't have to do any of that. Lessons identified but not learned from Miami: 1) Train civilians to expend a full CO2 extinguisher before evacuating. Even if that doesn't put out the fire, it buys valuable time. 2) Fork over the thousands of dollars it takes to rig a temp inert gas...

The defense from fire generally is as follows: 1) Prevention. This is the most significant step. Proper stowage of flammable materials, fix oil leaks, using flame resistant materials in ship's construction, safety precautions and permissions processes for work that creates a fire risk, and most...

This. The small pox vaccine was invented in 1796. The disease was finally eradicated in 1980, almost 200 years later. They didn't stop vaccinating against it until significantly after that. The idea that we'll all just stay home for a few months and COVID-19 goes away is wishful thinking.

You're declaring victory after the first quarter of the game. Also, consider that much of Taiwan's mitigation response taken to isolate its population would significantly erode civil liberties and may even be considered unconstitutional. Imagine the outcry if anyone flying into the US between...

According to the MIT projection tool, the biggest impact would be gained if sick people just stayed home until they got better. Which shouldn't be suprising to anyone. Throwing around blame to Trump, Obama, Fauci, or governors is silly. A significant portion of people are simply ignoring the...

I don't know why people are crediting countries as 'success' and 'failures' when the pandemic is still in its infancy. One day New Zealand is going to reopen its borders and the virus will be reintroduced to its non-immune population. The number that matters is PFR, since limitations on testing...

Maybe they got them from AW ads...

I'm not saying that hot work can't be the cause, but that there's got to be some gross negligence to go along with it that cannot be prevented by ship's force unless we stay with them 100% of the time. Try to light a bunch of construction material on fire with a few stray sparks, let alone one...

It's actually really hard to light a major fire like this with hot work by accident. That was the suspected cause of the Miami fire and they couldn't reproduce it in a lab. Turns out most things on ships are fire resistant. You basically would need to have the sparks hit some kind of fuel. A...

These things still take time. The CO was in the hot seat. The investigation was going down the path of watchstanders shooting the shit topside, supervisors violated the 'interlocks' while eating dinner -> poor command standards -> axe. But good ole Casey Fury decided to try to light the ship...

No, he can survive if they find that the cause wasn't from ship's force before the investigation concludes. The Miami CO kept his job and went on to major command.

Here's what's going to happen if the cause of the fire can't be immediately determined: The crew on duty is going to undergo a criminal investigation, with most of the emphasis placed on the SDO/CDO (whatever you call the OIC). This will include polygraphs. Every watchstanding infraction is...

There are two types of fires in the Navy: those that get put out in under a minute and those that burn for 12 hours and destroy the ship.

Even better when you get the same questions from family the few times you can see them over the holidays or between PCS. One of the common misconceptions is that when you're in port you just shut it all down and take vacation. It's gotten to the point where I just avoid talking about it rather...

We agree there. But you said above that they're hamstrung by red tape. I still don't follow what rules are stopping people in these positions from providing food that meets NAVSUP standards. But hard pack ice cream is available in the supply system. The thing that stopped your chop from getting...

I think you're getting into a separate issue. What rules governing SUPPOs are preventing the cooks from making food per the recipe card to the proper level of doneness while maintaining proper health and sanitary standards? That's the issue here. The fact that you or I might not like some...

I disagree with your assessment that the solution resides in Washington, and I think that your assertion that 'the food system in the Navy is systemically broken' is hyperbole. The NAVSUP P-486 puts the overall responsibility for the mess in the hands of the CO. The difference between the best...

I acknowledged that above. The point still stands - This is one of those things that fixing would result in a pay cut to all involved. Be careful what you ask for.

We're still talking about cooking, right? This is a basic life skill, it's not like rebuilding an engine. How is a CSC having to train a new CSSN any different than training a new line cook at a restaurant? This process should normally take a few days at most, with some added oversight if the...

Because enlisted crew don't get BAS at all whenever attached to a ship. Not even chiefs. They are expected to eat every meal on the ship or in the galley. I learned this the hard way when I caught an earful as a LTJG for scheduling an event during in port breakfast but didn't coordinate to move...

This is in some manual somewhere. I could tell because the best person at doing laundry was the boot CS - clothes came back actually clean, dry and folded. This lasts about 2 weeks when you can tell some salty CS2 told him to knock it off. About 2 days later is when the chop gets summoned to the...

It's a 'if your fso and cs lcpo suck and the triad can't be bothered to train them or hold them accountable' thing.

Because BAS is for the member (just you) to eat at military mess facilities. And some bean counter averaged how much an officer would spend in a career and came up with about 3/4 an enlisted person...and in my experience this usually favors the officer. BAS does not exist to pay for...

BAS is meant to pay for food from a military source (galley, ship, etc). It's not meant to pay for groceries from a commercial source. My average WR mess bill says that I've been making bank on this deal, even though BAS doesn't pay for a full month of mess at sea. Many enlisted sailors would be...

Not sure what you're getting at with CA. The coastal cities (where the vast majority of the state lives) have a relatively flat average monthly temperature profile.

IFR 0.4% no, 0.02% yes. If you use NY as your 'burnout' population the lower bound for IFR is 0.35%, and the actual IFR is more likely around 0.5%-2%. However, IFR is also heavily dependent on the age distribution of the population. The hospitalization rate and estimated PFR of 0.05-0.2% is...

Finally someone said it. An important facet of science is repeatability. You can find a single study to claim almost anything. On topnof that, every analysis right now is performed on incomplete data for a pandemic in its very early stages. There won't be meaningful consensus on this pandemic...

Yea, this is the natural belly aching to change. Every leader deals with it.

McDonald's workers don't want to get sick and most don't care about serving anyone quality food...but they go to work anyway because if they don't, they'll be broke. Teachers serve an essential function, and they launch publicity campaigns to constantly remind us of this. So implement...

Only in theory. I have three elementary school age children. All the Karens whined that their children got too much screen time and it was too hard to work with their own children. One of their teachers did a good job with this despite the whines. For the other two, work was cut down to about 2...

Little Johnny is more likely to die from choking on his lunch than COVID. I don't know how teachers around the nation can frequently protest how underpaid and over worked they are to perform an essential function, yet now argue that schools should remain closed.

Like wearing masks.

Says the guy who is just throwing out all CDCs guidelines.

How not? What asshole drove across the Pacific to deliver the 2019 Wuhan SARS to America?

Because the same inconsiderate people like slickag who won't wear masks are the same inconsiderate people who board a plane with symptoms. There's no way to validate where the passengers in your row have been, nor is there a way to validate all of the people you contact at an airport. And then...

Most. If for no other reason than you can't avoid the fact that public places love to simulcast CNN, Fox News, and ESPN. The news channels talk about the same crap on loop while ESPN talks about like 3 NBA players on loop.

I disagree. As long as I can tune into Fox News to find out what nefarious activity the 'Kenyan' President Obama was up to or CNN to find out what outrageously racist thing Trump said when you snip 3-7 words out of context, the media as a conglomerate is doing its job. The press today is far...

I find this interesting. One important function of the media is as a political watchdog. Social media's role so far has been to function as a one-stop content aggregator for news reporting and discussion. But social media platforms plan on banning offensive Trump statements...which removes...

Yeah, responded with immature nonsense. Wear a mask, it costs you virtually nothing.

Yes. Standing 6 ft 1" away from someone doesn't make you safer. NYC has a PFR of 0.3%, an order of magnitude more than the national PFR. Yes, restriction of travel to hot spots is absolutely sensible. But now people are traveling to/from NY so good luck with the reflash.