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We're talking about PLAN submarines, right? This statement is laughable.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

What I hope that we get from COVID-19 lessons learned is that we let social media panic run the nation, created a huge economic crisis, and damaged the education of our children to implement measures that were marginally effective at reducing infection rates and fatalities.

To the first part - Harvard's admissions policy does not select based on race. The trait mentioned in the NY times article is 'character;' according to several different websites explaining the selection process, the trait looks for people who have overcome significant hardships or have helped...

I answered your question directly multiple times. You just don't like it.

Nobody is avoiding anything. You're asking a stupid, loaded question based on a yellow journalism article you read from a boomer publication behind a paywall, and are demonstrating that you lack the mental capacity to utilize a basic internet search on Harvard's actual admissions processes...

I answered your question two posts ago. Re: Harvard.... Harvard's average academic student credentials were a 4.18 GPA and 1550 SAT score. Nationally, roughly 5000-8000 students achieved this, yet Harvard had 57,000 applicants. Secondly, 1/5 of a student's acceptance into Harvard relies on...

I think that I answered your question just fine: Your hypothetical scenario is absurd. The closest thing to it in reality are community colleges, whose aggregate student bodies are slightly skewed toward favoring minorities more than the general population. This is mostly driven by economics...

No one is awarding 'negative points' in the example I provided. It's valuable to have a variety of different cultures an viewpoints in an educational environment. I've been consistent in this thread in saying that race goes deeper than skin color and permeates into cultural differences among...

It isn't as long as 1) there is a clear minimum standard and 2) that minimum standard isn't compromised to hire someone of a different demographic. To use college as an example: let's say the minimum standard for acceptance is a 85 GPA and 1250 SAT score. You have a white candidate from...

Another thing where you jump to the conclusion where "problem exists, ipso facto it must be oppression" - except this time its sexism by men. One of the things I've always thought was silly about the Navy is the inability for such a large organization to guarantee people a long period of time...

I think that what you're missing is that your anecdote serves as a counter-point to everything you are trying to claim about systemic racism in the 21st century. No one is denying that there are people alive today who had to deal with real, actual systemic racism. However, those policies were...

You are claiming that systemic racism exists to prevent minorities from being successful. You then stated that you are a minority, and that you are successful. So the only way to resolve the discrepancy in your argument is that your success must be a result of some kind of exceptional talent...

You have claimed you had it worse like 5x now without providing any evidence. I'm simply proposing a mental exercise for you... Either A) you are born with such unique talents that you are able to rise above institutional laws and regulations that were designed to prevent you from becoming...

No one is 'flipping out.' Your assertion that you had to 'work harder' isn't based on objective evidence (i.e. output), but rather that at some point you were conditioned to think that because you are a minority you must have had it worse. Consider the possibility that you didn't work any...

As an ENS, he told his LT how he worked 10 times harder than everyone else because he is brown. His LT retorted that he's only an officer because of affirmative action. Ipso facto the Navy is systemically racist.

I know I've been going back and forth with him, but this riddle isn't hard to solve... NY politics never really left the Boss Tweed era.

You have a mental road block here... Do you not see how "I am black, therefore I worked harder than you, therefore I deserve more" is racist?

Here is a pro-tip: the majority of people think they're the hardest working people on the planet. Rose, the 250 lb white chick processing your license at DMV at a rate of seeing 2 customers an hour by moving her body at a purposefully slow pace, thinks that her job is the hardest working, most...

Your claim is that people can't climb out of poverty because of a rigged system that favors people with more money and resources. If so, that system would affect people of all income levels. So if you feel that it only matters for poor people, at what income level do you transfer blame from...

You took a conversation about race and turned it into one about mental illness. Is it your contention that being a minority is the same as incurring mental illness as a result of serious trauma? Because if not, I'm not sure how Vietnam, OIF, and OEF veterans with PTSD are relevant.

Except when the poor people are brown skinned - then it's obviously explained by systemic racism.

We have one as the sitting President. He also vehemently opposed desegregation, like most of the members of his party of the day.

You're painting a very benign picture compared to the rhetoric actually coming from the Trump administration. Recounting the vote is a massive waste of taxpayer money. Trump lost; no one with a reasonable mind doubts this.

We can extrapolate this to almost everyone in society. My parents weren't billionaires who could buy a spot in Harvard through an alumni donation. I suppose I was tripped at the starting line at some point and should therefore give up on life.

Perhaps you misunderstand what that means... Trump's case was heard in several lower courts, and was found to be baseless. By deciding not to entertain the case, SCOTUS is agreeing with the lower courts.

I think that it's significant that the riots were mostly incited by a sitting President's use of Twitter to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the elections, and that several key members of his party followed suit because preventing a Biden win was more important than reinforcing the rule of law...

I think it has done more harm than good. I also think that the philosophy of CRT is much closer to the vision of Malcolm X than MLK Jr. You tell the 70% of this country making under $50,000 per year that they're a bunch of privileged people oppressing members of other races and you're going to...

It's true in a lot of places because the sub-cultures desire to live among family members and people who are culturally similar to them, not because white people are oppressing minorities to live in certain areas. We can agree on the problem without agreeing on the root causes and solutions...

Can we stop the stereotype that the struggle of blacks is due solely to inner city poverty? The majority of black people live in the southeast /midwest united states in a suburban or rural community. If we could solve the inner city poverty problem, there would still be roughly 30M blacks...

Nope, missing the point. Nothing to do with trying harder. Everything to do with peer pressure and cultural influences within the sub-group being more powerful than people outside the sub-group. Related topic: women's behavior is significantly more influenced by the judgment of other women than...

I meant what I said within the context of the conversation, which is now lost several pages later. If you're going to extrapolate that to 'all people' then you're making a generalization that I didn't say or even imply. What I did imply is that the problem is significant enough that it impacts...

I'm not back-peddling on anything. You're trying to put words in my mouth.

The key difference is the race of the originator. If racial slurs and violence against blacks is coming predominately from other black people...well, we can't reasonably conclude that the core issue is oppression and systemic racism from white people.

Can you find where I stated the other part of your post? You know, the part that you just made up?

You should work on reading what I actually wrote, and not what you want to read because it struck a nerve.

What a stupid extrapolation from this conversation. -Is "Uncle Tom" not an actual expression used today? -Is this expression not used to imply that the person is "selling out" his race akin to selling them into slavery? -Is this expression not solely reserved for successful people, that even...

Nice straw man. How many white kids are called racial slurs for getting good grades?

I don't think he would define himself as 'mildly successful.' He has more wealth than he could have ever imagined having growing up in Egypt. I think this is a good lesson on perspective - he was drafted into a war he didn't want to fight and saw close friends die.... he faced violent religious...

Yes. You obviously didn't.

Yeah except the flaw of the paper you posted ended its analysis with the immigrants themselves. What happens by the 1st gen? 2nd gen? 3rd gen? Hey, here's another anecdote for you: my father-in-law immigrated to the UK in his 20s not speaking a lick of English and with the equivalent of 100...

You missed a sentence and then quoted some results out of context.

I don't understand the culture of shouting racial slurs, beating, or killing people who aspire to be successful. I never will. White people never will, nor can they fix it. This is a cultural shift that will have to come from within.

I've witnessed it. HAL told you one story. Let me tell you another. I'm changing in the locker room in HS after a game - 9th or 10th grade thereabouts. Friend of mine - black - changing a couple lockers down. In comes another black athlete. This guy basically pissed off the whole team because...

Yes and it's bullshit. You didn't post any actual academic research on the topic. The fact is that some cultures value education more than others, and that manifests itself in earnings. The culture that becoming a functioning, middle-class member of society is abandoning one's race to the point...

In other words, if you value hard work and education, and stop making stupid excuses like it's too hard, white people are out to get you, or the system is rigged, you can make a better life for yourself regardless of the color of your skin? Shocked Pikachu face meme Someone ought to notify the...

So how do Academic Circles explain that the average Indian immigrant who speaks English as a second language outperform every other race in America except for Asians?