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No we just sue the shit out of them, and drive malpractice insurance rates through the roof in the process, which in turn makes us pay even more money for said doctor's services.

Ugh. Well. I found the line for me. Sam Houston is the founding father of Texas. He's on par with our founding fathers (who also owned slaves).

My only question is why did he open the door? Maybe to talk to her? I'm thinking maybe help her? This was a DV situation after all... But all in all I think it was professional, they kept their calm, and throughout the entire incident it looked like they worked as a team, like they knew what...

I do agree. That statue is a tough one. Is serving as a Confederate enough to erase every good deed someone may have done in their life? I don't know. Maybe. In today's climate there isn't a lot of forgiveness for certain "sins" no matter how much you may atone for them. (It reminds me of the...

If what the DA says is true- I suppose some of my questions have been answered about training and SOPs.

Thanks everyone for keeping it to a good discussion and not a dogpile. I do appreciate it! Next round is on me. So how do we change our litigious society that wants to legally blame someone when anything goes wrong? Also- why are we so eager to project what someone may do and hold it...

You know what I meant dude. I gave an honest answer. I was hoping you were willing to actually have a conversation. But I was wrong, you just wanted to be a dick. You know as well as I do how much of an advantage that getting to choose the time and place for a battle is. You also know that...

Probably soon when things calm down a bit. Stuff is happening wrt systemic racial issues. The President's EO is a great place to start. "Okay- everyone is getting the idea- racism is terrible and people shouldn't be attacked because of their race. It's time for the functional leaders of each...

That's probably an uncomfortable question and answer for a lot of people. Why is it that way? We probably can't answer it. But it's a question that we can ask when the time is right.

Hey- someone has to tackle unsuspecting Navy/Marine aircrews on a cross country for crossing that damn red line.

I should have said "should have" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-experts-say-use-deadly-force-against-rayshard-brooks-unwarranted-n1231043 Again, that's crap.

I don't want to speak for him, but I believe he was relaying what some officials in Atlanta said they should have done... which is crap.

Interesting- is there any numbers that normalize this kind of data? Do you care to expound more? I'm also interested in how police work together? Everyone here has kind of said, "Well, all bets are off when you're in a scuffle" but isn't that like saying, "All bets are off when you're BFMing?"...

So what could they have done to be in better communication and more mutually supportive? It seems like they really were operating as two singles rather than a two man team.

I just read the NAACP statement, and I saw the family's video. I think they're grieving for what they and their family and friends and what black Americans see as systemic racism in the police enforcement. But in this instance, I don't see anything other than respect until it went south. And I...

I think all police shootings should be investigated- and I like the idea of treating them the way we treat mishaps- with a publicly releasable JAGMAN and a privilege protected AMB/SIR.

Yeah, and this is probably a discussion for another thread. But again, I don't think this was racially motivated, it wasn't a "bad cop" thing either. I think there may be some key points that can be emphasized in future training events. I don't like how (politically) Atlanta is handling this...

Same.

You're absolutely right. And a lot of people are grieving and 2 guys are going to run this one in their heads for the rest of their lives, and have to live with it- and that sucks, a lot. I honestly believe that no one involved in the scenario wanted this outcome, or would be happy with this...

I'd like to know if they're trained to go 2v1, or 1v1. When hockey linesmen go in to breakup a fight, the expectation is that you go in together, and that there are a few things that get "briefed" before the game and then called out real time. SOPs and what not. It doesn't really sound like...

Was that the same model? Good to know. I'll counter your second argument by saying that we're innocent until proven guilty, and we aren't held liable for things that we might do- only what we did do. BUT all of this still doesn't really build towards my initial discussion, as I'm not...

I didn't mean in this scenario, I just mean in those general interactions.

Yeah. I figure that we have a lot of smart folks from different backgrounds running around here. We've got a couple other threads going that seems to have a lot of absolutes as solutions. But I think a lot of police shootings are probably like this scenario- and live in a grey area. And I'd like...

I agree. I won't lie, before I saw the video and the interactions between the police officer and the guy I imagined a different scenario. This one went sideways quickly, and well after the initial relationship between the two parties were established. Was the taser still usable after he shot...

1) Concur. But is that "part of the job" and the oath? Different scenario argument here but just because someone has shown that they have a willingness to use force against American forces in El-foreign-country-istan, does that give us the right to shoot them? 2) Was the taser usable after it...

This is what I meant. It doesn't necessarily apply in this scenario- but stuff like serving warrants at someone's house- why go into a situation in which you have to gear up like crazy, and potentially face someone who thinks their justified in using force under castle doctrine laws (and are...

I've always been curious as to why the police like to go center of gravity on center of gravity rather than wait to go grab someone when that puts both the police in a much more advantageous situation and the suspect in a much more neutral/not defensive position.

I'd like to have a civil discussion- almost ASO/CRM style- about how his one went, and how the outcome could have been different. What went wrong? What went right? Could the outcome have been different? I don't think anyone going into this scenario wants this type of outcome. So what could be...

Now we're getting somewhere. Accountability- professional organizations have it, and they have the ability to "police" their own. The military has it through the UCMJ (and by extension special communities within the military have it), Doctors have it through both their Boards and their...

Says the guy who, according to his signature line, hasn't been to any type of OCS. Showing up to Marine OCS with any type of injury is not a good idea- it breaks healthy people, and there is no medical hold. If you get hurt and can't continue to train/miss an event, you get dropped. But I'd...

Yes. The D model Hornet which is being replaced by the F-35 fairly soon.

Interrupting post just to say that this is a great, old school, really informative airwarriors thread. I'm learning a lot about some really cool stuff (and I am learning a lot that puts context to stuff I've been a part of). Please, carry on- we need more stuff like this around here again!

I have had the same experience. Staying ahead of the airplane in the drone world is a lot tougher than one would think, and has been the boon of many TACAIR guys coming to the world. If you get behind, you really can't do anything to speed up, and you really need to know the logic of the...

I don't buy that narrative for a second. There may be a few people on the fringes who think that way, but those are the same type of people who say 9/11 was an inside job and Bigfoot is real and Elvis is still alive. I have not met someone in person who thinks that way- and I went to theater...

White on black on yellow on green on red on white on... Can we all not categorically agree that racism is bad? Arguing who is worse at being a racist makes one sound like they are defending rascists because, "they aren't as bad as the other people." "Yeah but they do it too" doesn't make it...

One only has to glance around the ready room to see how homogenous the officer corps, especially those who are pilots, is. Is it racism? I don't think so. Is it access? Probably. I've asked this kind of question to some really smart and talented enlisted folks who IMO would have done just as...

You know Elon had them put angry birds on that console for them, for when they get bored...

Funny- I was recently talking to the old man about some things and he brought up an interest piece of info. Apparently there was a Guard F-16 unit that at one point required every new hire to be a FWS grad. Soon enough the squadron was full of patch wearers. The opposite effect of what was...

So l337! I can't open a Cracker Jack box without finding another pair!

The Navy and Marine Corps are task organized and trained to complete certain missions to a competency level before they deploy. There is not enough of a demand that require service level redundancy in those other capabilities. BTW- there is a program that the AF has called "Rapid Raptor"...

Hey, where is the writing in crayon option? :D But thanks!

Request AF Pilot wings in addition to my NA wings. I'm official a Pilot in the Mi ANG.

Double pepper mill?

When the economy is crummy and there isn't a big war going on there aren't a lot of waivers. When the economy is good and there is a big shooting war going on, recruiters hand out waivers like that awesome old lady on halloween. Timing is everything, luck is next, then everything else.

I did one at -106 with an IP just to prove that I could do it, and then was told I'd never do one again unless I had a crazy emergency or was an FRS IP. I remember that it was a briefing item and optional do on the syllabus card.

That's a question that only your company staff can answer, and they may not have the answer yet.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w13xttx2 13 Minutes to the Moon is an excellent podcast- I'm a big space race, Mercury 7, Gemini, Apollo program fanatic- And I really think that the BBC has put on one of the best documentaries there is on the subject. Season 1 covers the 13 minutes of...

Those were some of the most fun flights...

If they're looking for ways to cut costs- and TRACOM CQ is one of those- it would make sense that E-2 guys will get their first boat experience in the FRS. It would make sense to send them through the entire multi syllabus if they need more flight time. Maybe even have a selection point for E-2...

You learn to fly the airplane, you learn to drop bombs and shoot the gun in the airplane, you learn to fight against other airplanes in the airplane. They used to learn how to land on the boat in the airplane, but I guess they don't do that anymore.