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TS Clearance Question

nittany03

Recovering NFO. Herder of Programmers.
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That is incorrect. Some platforms require it, others do not. I never got a TS. Sometimes there's strategic reasons not to get one.
Especially in SELRES. Depending on how motivated you are/aren’t to MOB. Having a current one got me an incredibly good deal and cool MOB, but it overall increases the number of billets you’re eligible to fill, including less-than-ideal ones. So some choose to only apply for billets that need a secret, and let any TS lapse.

(@Gatordev knows this, I’m sure, just for the peanut gallery of any potential SELRES)
 

rr-10

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If you haven't talked to a US immigration attorney you might make that call, I say that because depending on the rules for Canada you may or may not have inadvertently lost US citizenship, years ago I had a situation similar to what you have described but with a central american country, turns out even though she was born in the US the process the parents had her go through in their native country she lost her US citizenship, and she still had a US passport, but was told when she went to renew would probably be denied.

I also had a similar situation happen with a sailor that worked for me, he had a interim clearance but during the investigation to get secret it was found he wasn't actually a US citizen anymore.
I’m 95% sure that I hold a dual citizenship but I’ll get in contact with a US immigration attorney to be 100% certain.
 

rr-10

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That is incorrect. Some platforms require it, others do not. I never got a TS. Sometimes there's strategic reasons not to get one.
I’ve been told by the newtothenavy reddit & the AirForce reddit that to fly fighters or any jet , you need to obtain a TS clearance
 

nittany03

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I’ve been told by the newtothenavy reddit & the AirForce reddit that to fly fighters or any jet , you need to obtain a TS clearance
You need a secret clearance to hold a commission. You will need any other clearance based on the billet you hold after that. Don't worry about a TS now; you'll know later if you need it because you'll be given the paperwork and told to fill it out. "Need to know" is a thing. You'll get the minimum level of clearance and access you need to do your job. Expect not to need a TS until you are approaching winging, or to need the paperwork for it until that point. Big Navy is not going to waste money investigating you for a TS until they know you're not going to attrite out of the program anyway. They'll investigate you for it if your billet requires it, and only then. Billets are coded for the clearance they need.

Also, this isn't random people on Reddit. People here with wings on their profile earned them in real life, and @Gatordev is a retired O-5 who knows of which he speaks.
 

Meyerkord

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FWIW, they handed out TS packets to everyone in A-Pool a few weeks ago. I’m sure they were just pre-screening questions and it wasn’t the full blown thing, but they’re starting the process as early as possible since it takes forever to get one.
 

Swanee

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Marines did Secret clearance stuff in TBS. Didn't do TS/SCI until jet advanced in Kingsville. YMMV.
 

HokiePilot

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I’m 95% sure that I hold a dual citizenship but I’ll get in contact with a US immigration attorney to be 100% certain.

Giving up US citizenship is not something that can be done accidentally. Additionally, parents can not give up the citizenship of children. Under 16 children are not considered to have the maturity to make the decision and there is no way to renounce it. Even before 18 it is still very difficult.

Unless you are the child of a diplomat, if you were born in the US, you are a US citizen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vance_v._Terrazas

https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...nship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html
 

Meyerkord

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What is a “TS Packet” ???
It was probably about 30 pages of security-clearance type questions (ties to other countries, criminal history, financial status, etc.). They had everyone take one and fill it out in A-pool because they used to have people do it when they got to advanced and they wouldn't have their clearance by the time they needed it.
 

exNavyOffRec

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Giving up US citizenship is not something that can be done accidentally. Additionally, parents can not give up the citizenship of children. Under 16 children are not considered to have the maturity to make the decision and there is no way to renounce it. Even before 18 it is still very difficult.

Unless you are the child of a diplomat, if you were born in the US, you are a US citizen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vance_v._Terrazas

https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...nship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html

True, but you are say 18/19 with your parents they tell you to sign some papers and you do.
 

zippy

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It was probably about 30 pages of security-clearance type questions (ties to other countries, criminal history, financial status, etc.). They had everyone take one and fill it out in A-pool because they used to have people do it when they got to advanced and they wouldn't have their clearance by the time they needed it.

Keep a copy of your answers, those packets will get lost and you’ll have to start the process over again. Probably twice...
 

HokiePilot

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True, but you are say 18/19 with your parents they tell you to sign some papers and you do.

Read the state.gov link again
B. ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION

A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

  1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
  2. in a foreign country at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate; and
  3. sign an oath of renunciation
 
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