USN Cannabidiol (CBD) and the Navy

[ABMD]

unfortunately they have been finding that even though companies that produce CBD products are supposed to be free of CBD that some have THC when they are saying they do not. If the manufacturing process was cleaned up so that no CBD products checked had THC the views might be a bit different.

This right here, I think the issue isn't: CBD is bad, it's that it isn't regulated and there is no telling what is actually in the supplement you're taking. Just like with exercise and diet supplements, they aren't regulated by the FDA and who knows what is really in them. In my opinion, if CBD was regulated and it contained an approved amount, or none, of THC then it would be a different story/argument. Until then, the store shelves are filled with a product that contains who-knows-what being labelled as CBD.

 

[Hair Warrior]

@ABMD yep. It's considered a supplement, which we know various supplements already give military (and pro athletes) problems.

 

[BigRed389]

Which is why it's entirely plausible that the DoD may eventually fall in line with CBD (not talking about THC).

It was stated earlier (by @Pags maybe?) that the problem is fundamentally with Big Urine. I would extend that decision space to include PEO UPC, the UPC N3/5, and CDR USUPCCOM.

I doubt Pags was serious.
Urinalysis is a ridiculous fucking time sump. Particularly for operational units. Nothing like delaying the start of some planned work for the day for a bunch of people who have to go pee in a cup.

If we really wanted it gone, it’d be gone.

But it covers a lot more than just marijuana. Have had guys get busted for cocaine, MDMA, and narcotics.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

BAC isn't really an entirely objective test either. To clarify, not everybody is similarly impaired for the same BAC. I've worked with a few functional alcoholics.

yep, I have LE friends who have busted guys who blew a .3 that had less issues driving than guys who blew a .1 so I am sure it is similar for THC, a few years ago a woman rolled her van with her kids near me and luckily no one was killed but she was a regular user of pot, she claimed she hadn't smoked in a day but the levels in her blood were more than enough for impairment, in the end I believe she plead to some lesser charges (still felonies).

 

[wink]

Urinalysis helped clean up the Navy in the 70s and early 80s. There was no other way. And it reveal more than a rare weekend party trace of THC in our sailors.

 

[loadtoad]

Urinalysis helped clean up the Navy in the 70s and early 80s. There was no other way. And it reveal more than a rare weekend party trace of THC in our sailors.

Funny enough I just finished Yank Pedersen's book yesterday. When he is talking about the major drug problems the Navy was having in the late 70s and 80's I found it very interesting how few tools the leadership had to fix the problem. I never thought about how the urinalysis program really was a huge step forward when it was introduced.

 

[Swanee]

Urinalysis helped clean up the Navy in the 70s and early 80s. There was no other way. And it reveal more than a rare weekend party trace of THC in our sailors.

You indeed have to have a way to enforce the standards. Even with random urinalysis and barracks duties, we still have issues that pop up every so often.

While the college campus dorm culture exists and is tolerated and selectively enforced, we do have to have a level of military discipline in our ranks that exceeds that of the college campus.

Responsible use is the name of the game. How to enforce that? I don't know.

 

[Pags]

I doubt Pags was serious.
Urinalysis is a ridiculous fucking time sump. Particularly for operational units. Nothing like delaying the start of some planned work for the day for a bunch of people who have to go pee in a cup.

If we really wanted it gone, it’d be gone.

But it covers a lot more than just marijuana. Have had guys get busted for cocaine, MDMA, and narcotics.

I can't take credit for that joke, that was @OscarMyers . But i think hair warrior may be just rolling with the joke.

Agree that urinalysis is a good way to maintain good order and discipline. Have also had people pop for all sorts of stuff. It happens and urinalysis helps set the standard.

 

[Spekkio]

Do you really have to nitpick and sea lawyer everything that is not 100% in line with your thoughts or statements? Can you ever accept you’re not the fountain of all knowledge?

Listen man, you were the one who piped in with the 'well ackshully...' about how technically the DOD can disregard local laws for use of controlled substances (as if I didn't know that) and then tried to draw a parallel to frigging plastic bag use.

 

[taxi1]

I'd like to try CBD. My wife uses it for chronic pain, gets it from a dispensary prescribed by her doctor. She says it helps a lot.

But while I no longer operate federally owned heavy machinery, I still have a clearance so I can't.

 

[Brett327]

I think there's too much hand wringing over finding the "magic number" that covers everybody for THC levels.

In fact, there’s zero hand wringing, because DoD is not planning on changing their policy.

BAC isn't really an entirely objective test either.

I hope you would agree, though, that any BAC beyond trace amounts in someone showing up for duty is problematic.

 

[Hair Warrior]

I'd like to try CBD. My wife uses it for chronic pain, gets it from a dispensary prescribed by her doctor. She says it helps a lot.

But while I no longer operate federally owned heavy machinery, I still have a clearance so I can't.

Some federal agencies have a more liberal CBD use policy than others for civ and ctr personnel. It may not affect your clearance to take CBD. It is federally legal to buy, sell, traffic across state lines, and consume. I know for a fact it is not a question asked on the SF-86. Consult your agency’s DAPA or equivalent.

Also, what state do you live in? In my area, CBD products are right next to the Snickers bars and tabloid magazines at the grocery checkout - no Rx required. Also, available on Amazon.

 

[Spekkio]

BAC isn't really an entirely objective test either. To clarify, not everybody is similarly impaired for the same BAC. I've worked with a few functional alcoholics.

There are mounds of scientific research on why the legal limit is set at 0.08. The vast majority of people show impairment operating a motor vehicle at that level, even if they don't show other signs of being drunk. There's even credible research to support lowering it to 0.02 - 0.05.

 

[taxi1]

Some federal agencies have a more liberal CBD use policy than others for civ and ctr personnel. It may not affect your clearance to take CBD. It is federally legal to buy, sell, traffic across state lines, and consume. I know for a fact it is not a question asked on the SF-86. Consult your agency’s DAPA or equivalent.

Also, what state do you live in? In my area, CBD products are right next to the Snickers bars and tabloid magazines at the grocery checkout - no Rx required. Also, available on Amazon.

PA

The question has been asked. We undergo random urinalysis, and if it shows up, there will be some 'splaining to do.

 

[HAL Pilot]

Listen man, you were the one who piped in with the 'well ackshully...' about how technically the DOD can disregard local laws for use of controlled substances (as if I didn't know that) and then tried to draw a parallel to frigging plastic bag use.

Okay Cliff.