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Shooting debrief discussion

GroundPounder

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PhrogLoop said:
First, I will admit I don’t have the data. But I suspect that risk is overblown. I believe that if a DUI/DWI suspect got handed a bottle of water from a friendly cop just as a free Uber showed up to drive them home, they would more likely be in a state of mind and body to sleep it off rather than set off toward further mayhem.
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Discretion is not really a thing when it comes to Family Violence and DUI, as a practical matter.

There are an almost infinite number of variables that make every situation different, from the guy who is at .20, 100 miles from home to a baptist preacher at .08 and 100 ft from his house. After a month of this program, all that people will want to know is how many men vs. women got the ride, how many majority vs minority, the list is endless.

Posted after HairWarior's comment had already popped up. I typed and deleted, typed and deleted, trying to say what he did without coming across like a whiner. Good point made by him.
 
taxi1

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Hair Warrior said:
Has DUI been suddenly decriminalized?
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In reference to my relative, they had their blood drawn in an ambulance and then released to go home rather than jail that night (they did not turn around and go out for more carousing). But then...

Stood before the judge, stood before the family of the person who lost their life in the accident and heard them speak, admitted their guilt, spent time in jail, spent a lot of time picking up trash in community service, got to spend a lot of time wearing an ankle bracelet, and had regular visits from law enforcement at the house at random times to verify no weapons or other contraband there, etc.
 
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wink

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taxi1 said:
In reference to my relative, they had their blood drawn in an ambulance and then released to go home rather than jail that night (they did not turn around and go out for more carousing). But then...

Stood before the judge, stood before the family of the person who lost their life in the accident and heard them speak, admitted their guilt, spent time in jail, spent a lot of time picking up trash in community service, got to spend a lot of time wearing an ankle bracelet, and had regular visits from law enforcement at the house at random times to verify to weapons or other contraband there, etc.
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This still amazes me. A death stemming from DUI is a homicide case. Your example isn't a friendly drunk known to the officer to have always made court. It was a potential manslaughter charge, or higher. A felony by any stretch. Just amazing to me.
 
PhrogLoop

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wink said:
This still amazes me. A death stemming from DUI is a homicide case. Your example isn't a friendly drunk known to the officer to have always made court. It was a potential manslaughter charge, or higher. A felony by any stretch. Just amazing to me.
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Death? Potential manslaughter? Are we talking minority report style future crimes here?
 
taxi1

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wink said:
This still amazes me. A death stemming from DUI is a homicide case. Your example isn't a friendly drunk known to the officer to have always made court. It was a potential manslaughter charge, or higher. A felony by any stretch. Just amazing to me.
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After I saw this thread, I called and checked with the relative, because I wasn't sure I remembered correctly. One thing is, the person lived on in the hospital for a week or two before passing. Then the charges came.

The initial charge was Felony Death by Motor Vehicle when it came.
 
Gatordev

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PhrogLoop said:
Death? Potential manslaughter? Are we talking minority report style future crimes here?
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From your posts, it seems like you're approaching this from a "reasonable man/common sense" standpoint. I wish that was more prevelant in today's society. But given your time in the Navy, I'm guessing you can understand another approach of Total Risk Avoidance* (trademark Squeeze).

These entities (police, municipalities, etc) are approaching this from a legal standpoint, which includes the lowest common denominator. They're trying to eliminate the scenario where a cop made a judgement call and then gets sued later because Cletus killed someone 2 hours later.

Is that right? Maybe not, but it's reality. I'll tell you that there are some pretty irresponsible people out there who hurt themselves and others after drinking. Oh, and then taxpayers get to pay for their initial medical response. Add to that the destruction of lives affected by their actions after the fact, and it adds up.

DUI is an arrestable offense due to a(n) historical history. While the way that's treated could be changed, currently, cops have to deal with what's written. But sending someone on their way opens the cops and the municipality up to legal action if it doesn't work out. Right or wrong, it's the world we live in.
 
Waveoff

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"After shooting Brooks, Rolfe said "I got him" and kicked him, and Brosnan then stood on Brooks' shoulder, Howard said. The officers did not provide medical aid to Brooks for over two minutes after shooting him, Howard said."

The DA noted that the officer went against police SOP which does not allow you to fire any sort of weapon at someone running away. So once Brooks started running, he was not to be fired upon with even a taser, let alone a gun. DA also noted that at no time was the victim told he was under arrest for DUI (does not excuse the fight but it is a violation of rights).

The DA also notes that the taser had already been fired twice and was "empty" when the officer fired at him.
Thus the ultimate argument was that there was no imminent threat.
 
WhiskeySierra6

WhiskeySierra6

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PhrogLoop said:
First, I will admit I don’t have the data. But I suspect that risk is overblown. I believe that if a DUI/DWI suspect got handed a bottle of water from a friendly cop just as a free Uber showed up to drive them home, they would more likely be in a state of mind and body to sleep it off rather than set off toward further mayhem.
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Even if it is overblown, all it takes is one time to wipe out any incremental savings that accumulated over the previous months/years. In the image below, you're living on the top line. Probaby not where you want to be.
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exNavyOffRec

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PhrogLoop said:
First, I will admit I don’t have the data. But I suspect that risk is overblown. I believe that if a DUI/DWI suspect got handed a bottle of water from a friendly cop just as a free Uber showed up to drive them home, they would more likely be in a state of mind and body to sleep it off rather than set off toward further mayhem.
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unfortunately because there are enough people that don't do what you would do they have the mandatory jail to sober up, my old LPO was pulled over in a small town and he was DUI, they took him to blow, then took him home, then picked him up in the morning and took him to get his car, things have changed. Then we have the guy I worked with at about same time frame, he was DUI, blew, took cab home, then decided he wanted Taco Bell, got in his other car fell asleep at the stop light, foot came off the brake and he drifted through the red light as traffic had to drive around him, and then he gets another DUI within like 90 minutes.

I, like you, if taken home would sleep it off, however there are many others not like us that would not, I hope that those of us on this forum, should happen to made a mistake would not immediately make another.
 
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