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FY 20 IWC DCO Board

Hair Warrior

Hair Warrior

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bubblehead said:
They are not approving requests for SELRES to go to IRR-ASP.
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Roger. So, not ASP and not VTU. What's the IRR where you don't do anything, earn no pay, and earn no points? That's what they want.

A couple of them made it sound like they wanted to go into the IRR only temporarily, then maybe rejoin SELRES later. I told them to double check before doing that, because I'm under the impression it's mostly a one-way street, with a few outliers who manage to go the other direction.

Edit: Is this the correct reg?
 
bubblehead

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Hair Warrior said:
Roger. So, not ASP and not VTU. What's the IRR where you don't do anything, earn no pay, and earn no points? That's what they want.

Edit: Is this the correct reg?
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Hair Warrior said:
A couple of them made it sound like they wanted to go into the IRR only temporarily, then maybe rejoin SELRES later.

I told them to double check before doing that, because I'm under the impression it's mostly a one-way street, with a few outliers who manage to go the other direction.
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It's not difficult going from IRR-VTU to SELRES. It's all dependent on the manning levels for your designator and rank. I could go back to SELRES in a week and have a $10k bonus in my pocket because they are short O4 IP's by 13.

Going from S-2 back to SELRES is another story. I'd have to read up on that.
 
Hair Warrior

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snake020 said:
https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=87863
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Wtf... so he really was a LT, really earned naval parachutist badge, really earned EE on rifle and pistol?

i just don’t get why people have to lie about their service, if they truly served. At no point have I ever felt pressure from peers or superiors to chase ribbons or warfare pins. If anything, I’ve found that many officers downplay their service record and avoid discussing their CAR, PH, or BSM If they have one of those. Though, I am rarely if ever the one to bring up the topic, so maybe people are more talkative but I just don’t ask.
exNavyOffRec said:
What community insignia is on his shoulder boards?
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Medical service corps officer.
exNavyOffRec said:
We had a HPSP or HSCP student that was going for either his MD or DDS at the college we covered so he had to do the PRT with us, when he is commissioned he may get some odd looks as he was an enlisted SEAL who had several awards that you typically don't see MD's or DDS's wearing.
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Was this the guy?
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nodropinufaka

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Intel O's attend several required trainings for the first three or so years for AT. RNIOBC is one of them. The powers that be have been making those trainings longer and longer making the DCO program less attractive to some.

New DCO Intel O's now go to a 5 week ODS first year, a 5 week NIOBC or RNIOBC years, and a 2-3 week RNOBC phase II the third year.

It's not god awful in the big picture but it changed midstream for some and if it wasn't what you signed up for (used to be drill once a month and AT two weeks a year) it's a big ask for some with certain jobs.

The new virtual two week RNIOBC came out of nowhere a few weeks ago - to keep people moving with training so that we aren't short qualified Intel O's two years from now. Obviously - there will be a chunk of JO Intel folks that will not complete training on time with COVID and job balancing this year.

The virtual RNIOBC offers INTEL O's a chance to knock some training

There are a good number of JO Intel types that are prior enlisted intel specialists and some that are three letter agency types that should be able to waiver out of the 5 week school too. That reality has been ignored by the folks running the RNIOBC the last year or so - but those very same folks would be ideal to push through the RNIOBC.
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Why do you think that being in a 3 letter agency should make you be able to waiver out of training?

you realize that this is training to be a NAVY intelligence officer right? Not DIA, Not DOS, not CIA.

Just because you’re an intel analyst doesn’t mean it’s plug and play into the Navy.

edit- besides. It’s good training. Take every opportunity and try your best.

I came from active and did OCS, NIOBC, and a ton of other schools and continue to look for training while being a senior level fed employee at a 3 letter. Balance both and don’t let one career try to influence the other if that makes sense.
 
bubblehead

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NAVIFOR has always had an issue with waiving anyone from their "training pipeline." Been this way since I got commissioned in 2009. The Navy likes to shove everyone through the same snake that way they can say "yes, everyone has had the same training."

The fact that they are not waiving IS's, especially those with several years experience, from the RNIOBC is laughable. There is a waiver process and I gather from my past experiences that there remain those who are acting cowardly because they are unwilling or are unable to explain a waiver to the NAVIFOR Flag.

nodropinufaka said:
edit- besides. It’s good training.
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The RNIOBC I went through back in 2009 was utterly useless as was the IDWO and INTEL PQS process. Lot's of CO's pushing their people through combined boards (IDWO/INTEL) with multiple people sitting the same board so they could get them "qualified" and get that box checked.

I am happy with the changes that are being made:
  • Requiring Reservists to attend Officer Development School
  • Requiring Reserve IP's to attend the active duty IP Basic school
  • Making the qual boards and PQS process more stringent
I wish they would require Reserve 1835's and 1815's to attend the active duty schools as well. At least we would get a consistent widget which has always been an issue in my mind and is more than likely why they are taking such a stance on waiving anyone from anything. That being said, there are obvious wavier no-brainers, you just need a leader to do their job, document the waiver, and push it up the chain.
 
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Hair Warrior

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It seems like the issue is not the training itself, but a perceived lack of fairness in how waivers are issued for RNIOBC phase 1. Just kill the waiver, and make everyone do all five weeks of phase 1 at IWTC-VB.
 
bubblehead

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Hair Warrior said:
It seems like the issue is not the training itself, but a perceived lack of fairness in how waivers are issued for RNIOBC phase 1.
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Did not realize there was this issue as well. I assume NAVIFOR Regional N7's act differently? Do they have to forward the waiver package to NAVIFOR HQ N7 with a recommendation for approval or disapproval?

Hair Warrior said:
Just kill the waiver, and make everyone do all five weeks of phase 1 at IWTC-VB.
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Killing it is one way to do it.
 
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