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No More DCOIC as of FY20 - ODS Guidance

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bryanteagle6 said:
I hope that is the case! The uniform list says black only.. i was hoping that it was a typo or overlooked!
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Be wary: "No brown boots and No black rough-out boots"
https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/NSTC/otcn/pdfs/ODS Uniform Inventory list Jan 2019.pdf

This is something you should absolutely confirm with the school, but probably the worst that'll happen if you show up without them is they send you to the uniform store and you have to buy some black boots (and shoe polish). Also get a few of those small brown microfiber towels in one of the aisles with Marine uniforms for polishing your boots and Oxfords. They were only about 50 cents each and work great.
 
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(Probably) Unpopular Opinion:

With the switch to ODS, new reserve naval officers should not indoc with a NOSC nor perform any drill periods until after ODS. ODS should be a true accession source, just like how “indoc candidates” (from the street) ship to OCS before ever joining the fleet. Recruiters should swear-in new reserve naval officers only immediately before they ship to an ODS class, so as to not impinge the officer’s clock to complete certain time-constrained PQS obligations or skew other TIS/PEBD matters.

Like with OCS, DCO recruiters will now be on the hook for finding their DCO selectees an appropriate ODS class upon receiving the FINSEL. This switch would remove massive workload from NOSC N1 and N7 shops who expend significant manpower trying to gain new officers, indoc them, do medical/dental/flu shot/blood draw, issue CACs, show them Full Speed Ahead videos, inspect their uniforms, find them a unit, find them an ODS quota, and figure out what to do with them on DWEs before ODS/DCOIC. All of that mandatory initial entry stuff will now be standardized and streamlined into ODS.

Change my mind.
 
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bryanteagle6 said:
I hope that is the case! The uniform list says black only.. i was hoping that it was a typo or overlooked!
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The ODS uniform list does say black boots only. So much change with all this DCOIC/ODS stuff, I could see that changing to authorized for brown or staying the same. I've got both boots but I absolutely hate the black boots I was issued when enlisted. They genuinely hurt to wear. I'm holding off on buying news ones till I get closer to the school in case brown is authorized. I only have so much closet space for stuff I wear once or twice a year and less with some things. Navy Uniforms = Crazy! There are comfortable black boots out there but they aren't the cheap ones. If you end up needing them, I suggest spending the money and breaking them in a bit before you arrive. Makes the life a little easier.

Since Black is always authorized and even required on ships - I can see why they would be required for ODS as opposed to brown.
 
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Bones

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...There are comfortable black boots out there but they aren't the cheap ones. If you end up needing them, I suggest spending the money and breaking them in a bit before you arrive. Makes the life a little easier...
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Wish I could give gold on Airwarriors. Get Flight Deck boots. They're like wearing clouds wrapped in pillows insulated by angel's wings. They shine up pretty nicely too.

I got these and they're worth every penny:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001HPMEEW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
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AU_Aviation

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Hair Warrior said:
(Probably) Unpopular Opinion:

With the switch to ODS, new reserve naval officers should not indoc with a NOSC nor perform any drill periods until after ODS. ODS should be a true accession source, just like how “indoc candidates” (from the street) ship to OCS before ever joining the fleet. Recruiters should swear-in new reserve naval officers only immediately before they ship to an ODS class, so as to not impinge the officer’s clock to complete certain time-constrained PQS obligations or skew other TIS/PEBD matters.

Like with OCS, DCO recruiters will now be on the hook for finding their DCO selectees an appropriate ODS class upon receiving the FINSEL. This switch would remove massive workload from NOSC N1 and N7 shops who expend significant manpower trying to gain new officers, indoc them, do medical/dental/flu shot/blood draw, issue CACs, show them Full Speed Ahead videos, inspect their uniforms, find them a unit, find them an ODS quota, and figure out what to do with them on DWEs before ODS/DCOIC. All of that mandatory initial entry stuff will now be standardized and streamlined into ODS.

Change my mind.
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I see the advantages to this, and wouldn't be against it if I am selected in a few months. Do they publish the ODS dates in a similar fashion that the DCOIC classes were posted? I'd be curious to see when the FY20 classes are taking place, not that it would really make a difference.
 
bryanteagle6

bryanteagle6

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They do not post those dates on otcn website like they did dcoic as of now. You would be looking at a january class. They have them more often then dcoic and pretty much all non stop all year
 
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bluemarlin04

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Hair Warrior said:
(Probably) Unpopular Opinion:

With the switch to ODS, new reserve naval officers should not indoc with a NOSC nor perform any drill periods until after ODS. ODS should be a true accession source, just like how “indoc candidates” (from the street) ship to OCS before ever joining the fleet. Recruiters should swear-in new reserve naval officers only immediately before they ship to an ODS class, so as to not impinge the officer’s clock to complete certain time-constrained PQS obligations or skew other TIS/PEBD matters.

Like with OCS, DCO recruiters will now be on the hook for finding their DCO selectees an appropriate ODS class upon receiving the FINSEL. This switch would remove massive workload from NOSC N1 and N7 shops who expend significant manpower trying to gain new officers, indoc them, do medical/dental/flu shot/blood draw, issue CACs, show them Full Speed Ahead videos, inspect their uniforms, find them a unit, find them an ODS quota, and figure out what to do with them on DWEs before ODS/DCOIC. All of that mandatory initial entry stuff will now be standardized and streamlined into ODS.

Change my mind.
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I will do one better. Just do that but instead of ODS send them to OCS. Same standards across active and reserve. What is 7 more weeks if you are already doing 5?

Change my mind.
 
bryanteagle6

bryanteagle6

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If youre gonna go that far - then you do away with the boards and all the competitive resume fluffing and just select sailors through the normal officer pipeline for active and reserves all together (like many other branches). I support that, but is it nice that we are a little different?! I see pros and cons!
 
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bluemarlin04

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I still don't understand why the reserves base an applicants civilian resume so heavily.

If a 21/22 year old can function as an ENS just fine on active duty I don't see the point.
 
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bluemarlin04

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RecruitingGuru said:
Because the Reserves doesn't spend months if not years training someone to do their daily job. This is where the civilian (or military) experience comes in.
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It isnt the same though.

In the example of an 1835.

Being a civilian analyst =/= being an 1835.

I can understand it in the legal field and the medical field but not in intelligence
 
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