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Blue Angel reported down near Nashville (2JUN2016)
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sunglasses for safety.
I will add my opinion of the report.
First, he came out of the break on downwind with between 1000-1100 lbs of fuel. NAWDC's min fuel on deck for an F-16 in 1000lbs. So I certainly would be no where near freaking out on beautiful day if I was starting my approach turn with that fuel load.
Second, the throttle on the F-16 is on the bulkhead. TO go through the cutoff detent and to select afterburner, the pilot has to rotate the throttle inboard and then move it forward or backwards. To shutoff the motor, the pilot has to pull the trigger with his pinkie AND rotate the throttle inboard to move it backwards. That is what is checked on preflight. I first move the throttle to the idle detent. Then I move it backwards (it should stop). I then pull the trigger and move it backwards (it should stop). I then rotate it inboard without the trigger pulled and pull backwards (it should stop) and then I finally pull the trigger and rotate it aft to move the throttle to the cutoff position to get ready for engine start. Have I forgot this check, oh yeah.
Thirdly, if the trigger was stuck, the pilot would still have to rotate the throttle out to shut it off. As I said above that is a little goofy, but it is not necessarily goes against the motion being used pulling the throttle to idle in the brake. He was at 2000'ft AGL (Air Force patterns, sigh) and 220kts at the abeam position with the gear down. For a flameout approach the book says 3000 ft AGL and 200kts for the abeam position. Take into account the time to figure out what was going on, he did not have the energy or altitude to get the engine back on or make the runway.
First, he came out of the break on downwind with between 1000-1100 lbs of fuel. NAWDC's min fuel on deck for an F-16 in 1000lbs. So I certainly would be no where near freaking out on beautiful day if I was starting my approach turn with that fuel load.
Second, the throttle on the F-16 is on the bulkhead. TO go through the cutoff detent and to select afterburner, the pilot has to rotate the throttle inboard and then move it forward or backwards. To shutoff the motor, the pilot has to pull the trigger with his pinkie AND rotate the throttle inboard to move it backwards. That is what is checked on preflight. I first move the throttle to the idle detent. Then I move it backwards (it should stop). I then pull the trigger and move it backwards (it should stop). I then rotate it inboard without the trigger pulled and pull backwards (it should stop) and then I finally pull the trigger and rotate it aft to move the throttle to the cutoff position to get ready for engine start. Have I forgot this check, oh yeah.
Thirdly, if the trigger was stuck, the pilot would still have to rotate the throttle out to shut it off. As I said above that is a little goofy, but it is not necessarily goes against the motion being used pulling the throttle to idle in the brake. He was at 2000'ft AGL (Air Force patterns, sigh) and 220kts at the abeam position with the gear down. For a flameout approach the book says 3000 ft AGL and 200kts for the abeam position. Take into account the time to figure out what was going on, he did not have the energy or altitude to get the engine back on or make the runway.
Interestingly, a common discussion in the Mod area. "The Navy isn't Old School enough, like in the days of BzB et al!" But when things get racy in a thread, people need to be more respectful. I've stopped caring, at this point.
While we can count this as a virtual ready room, two things. First, being an asshole and dismissive of anyone who disagrees with you generally isn't tolerated in a ready room, so it shouldn't be tolerated here. The line of where one has crossed to be an intolerable asshole is always subject for debate, just like it is in real life. Second, what you put in writing on a forum will never come across the way it does in person. Most of us haven't met each other in real life and something that would be hilarious if you actually said it to all of us often comes across poorly when written. Keep that in mind.
Let's hug it out and keep going.
Let's hug it out and keep going.
RadicalDude
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I was, in fact, joking.
Poking fun of the fact that some folks got so tired of people being "intolerant" on this site, that they hauled off and started an invite-only members-only echo chamber. Richest and most satisfying irony I'd seen in a long time.
But, Treetop guessed right, I am also a huge douchebag. Ask anyone who knows me.
Poking fun of the fact that some folks got so tired of people being "intolerant" on this site, that they hauled off and started an invite-only members-only echo chamber. Richest and most satisfying irony I'd seen in a long time.
But, Treetop guessed right, I am also a huge douchebag. Ask anyone who knows me.
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The fact that you assume it is an echo chamber and that we remotely share the same views over there is laughable, at best.
We just don't get our panties in a wad and we call someone out if they are being a little bitch and start acting overly sensitive.
But keep speaking about that which you do not know. I'm a fan of consistency.
Pickle
RadicalDude
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We didn't start the other site because we were tired of intolerant people. We started it because we were tired of douchebags.
The invitation only is so it remains douchebag free.
Considering this thread was about a mishap that killed a fellow gold-winger, Captain Kuss, I think you're all being douchebags...
Fucking grown men arguing over internet club-houses....
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