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ROTC or OCS?

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
Are you including Marine Corps grads in the numbers? Last I knew, the NROTC and USNA were graduating just shy of 1000 officers each. My data is dated, so your might be more up-to-date...

How many applicants apply to OCS every year versus selected?

-ea6bflyr ;)

Strictly USN commissioned officers.

One of the notes in the email string said FY12 numbers were virtually unchanged from FY11 and they expect FY13 to be the same. I believe FY10 numbers were close to 1000 as OCS for FY10 was about 950 as well.

I actual would have had those numbers last year, but now we just switched from Otools to CIRIMS and our selection list distribution was/is all jacked up, the data would also be skewed since a person can apply for OCS and not have cleared medical, as a consequence many that are selected are found not to be PQ, if we would require a physical to be done prior the selection percent would be much higher.

I can tell you that for Intel 600 apply for 10-15 selected, Supply 200 for 40, Pilot 200 for 150
 

Tomsonx

New Member
When you (NavyOffRec) said that GPA and ASTB matter more than extracurriculars for pilot OCS applicants. To what extent(just a general idea is needed)? If I were to get a 3.7-4.0 GPA and then let's say above average ASTB scores what would I need to do to muck that up (like say have no extracurriculars at all, DUI, Jail time ect(PS I do have extracurriculars, haven't drank, and have never served time, just hypothetically asking))?

By the way, thanks for the great info/opinions guys, really helping me (and possibly others) make a decision.
 

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
When you (NavyOffRec) said that GPA and ASTB matter more than extracurriculars for pilot OCS applicants. To what extent(just a general idea is needed)? If I were to get a 3.7-4.0 GPA and then let's say above average ASTB scores what would I need to do to muck that up (like say have no extracurriculars at all, DUI, Jail time ect(PS I do have extracurriculars, haven't drank, and have never served time, just hypothetically asking))?

By the way, thanks for the great info/opinions guys, really helping me (and possibly others) make a decision.

I can tell you I have never seen a person with a GPA over 3.0 with a PFAR 8 or 9 that wasn't selected, if they have PFAR 7 it is normally 50/50 last board all I saw with 7's were picked up.

In dealing with Pilot it is all about gpa and ASTB, a person with a 5 isn't going to be any more attractive with lots of extracurricular activities as those with high ASTB since those activities aren't going to affect their apptitude, the USN keeps stats on who fails out of flight school, in general the higher the ASTB the better shot of making it.
 

Hawk12

New Member
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If you are going into college I don't see why ROTC wouldn't be your first option, since you really have to start it within your freshman/sophomore year and if you don't like it then you can find another path to commissioning. But if you do like it have a near guarantee for commission as a Naval Officer, even without a scholarship, advanced standing isn't all that difficult to get. No you don't get to know your MOS choice before you sign the dotted line, but, the end goal should be to become a Naval Officer anyway, otherwise you're doing it wrong. I’m currently a 1/C graduating in May and I don’t have outstanding grades or ASTB score, but in ROTC you also have the advantage of the staff knowing who you are. They’ve seen you for the past few years and can be very helpful in getting the service selection that you want. I’m not saying that you can slack off; you can’t… because you’ll be kicked out of ROTC for that.

Try it, you don’t have any commitment till your sophomore year (on scholarship) and your junior year (advanced standing/2yr scholarship). If you don’t like it, go for OCS.

On another note, it seems the college programmer scholarships are on the rise while ones right out of high school might be taking a hit. Something to think about.
 

mid1510

1370
If you are going into college I don't see why ROTC wouldn't be your first option, since you really have to start it within your freshman/sophomore year and if you don't like it then you can find another path to commissioning. But if you do like it have a near guarantee for commission as a Naval Officer, even without a scholarship, advanced standing isn't all that difficult to get. No you don't get to know your MOS choice before you sign the dotted line, but, the end goal should be to become a Naval Officer anyway, otherwise you're doing it wrong. I’m currently a 1/C graduating in May and I don’t have outstanding grades or ASTB score, but in ROTC you also have the advantage of the staff knowing who you are. They’ve seen you for the past few years and can be very helpful in getting the service selection that you want. I’m not saying that you can slack off; you can’t… because you’ll be kicked out of ROTC for that.

Try it, you don’t have any commitment till your sophomore year (on scholarship) and your junior year (advanced standing/2yr scholarship). If you don’t like it, go for OCS.

On another note, it seems the college programmer scholarships are on the rise while ones right out of high school might be taking a hit. Something to think about.


To add on to this, in my time as an rotc midshipman, I have never seen someone who is qualified not get nfo/pilot/whatever they wanted EXCEPT if they were drafted to go nuke (read: high gpa in a technical major)...

However, if nuke is not in your top 3 choices, you have a very little chance of getting drafted from what I've seen.

Basically, while you don't know what you will be doing early on, if you fulfill your end of the obligation (good grades, ASTB, stay out of trouble, not being a shitbag), you will have a very good chance of selecting what you want.
 

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
If you are going into college I don't see why ROTC wouldn't be your first option, since you really have to start it within your freshman/sophomore year and if you don't like it then you can find another path to commissioning. But if you do like it have a near guarantee for commission as a Naval Officer, even without a scholarship, advanced standing isn't all that difficult to get. No you don't get to know your MOS choice before you sign the dotted line, but, the end goal should be to become a Naval Officer anyway, otherwise you're doing it wrong. I’m currently a 1/C graduating in May and I don’t have outstanding grades or ASTB score, but in ROTC you also have the advantage of the staff knowing who you are. They’ve seen you for the past few years and can be very helpful in getting the service selection that you want. I’m not saying that you can slack off; you can’t… because you’ll be kicked out of ROTC for that.

Try it, you don’t have any commitment till your sophomore year (on scholarship) and your junior year (advanced standing/2yr scholarship). If you don’t like it, go for OCS.

On another note, it seems the college programmer scholarships are on the rise while ones right out of high school might be taking a hit. Something to think about.
The numbers our ROTC coordinator has show otherwise, the number of applicants is higher so the competition is tougher.
 

Tomsonx

New Member
Hawk 12 said:
but, the end goal should be to become a Naval Officer anyway, otherwise you're doing it wrong.

Trust me, I have nothing but the utmost respect for the men and women who defend this country and I dream of one day joining their ranks. That being said I understand that becoming a Naval Officer will mean I will have this duty for some chunk of time, no matter what I end up doing I'm not going to ditch something I've committed to; so naturally I hope people can understand my desire to get the duty I want. I also understand that the needs of the Navy will outweigh my wants 100% of the time.

Also the thought of SWO keeps me up at night.
 

ea6bflyr

Working Class Bum
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Contributor
There are hoards of SWO types that have made the leap to aviation. The converse is not true.

-ea6bflyr ;)
 

KBayDog

Well-Known Member
I did four years of military boarding school and was ready to be a total bum for a few years.

You let Spangler get you down?

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revan1013

Death by Snoo Snoo
pilot
You let Spangler get you down?

What can I say? The man got me. That experience made me not want to cut my hair or shave for years. And I didn't.

I kinda looked like this guy,
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I didn't need rules man. That was for after college :D
 
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