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TSA or T&A ???
- Thread starter A4sForever
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I am choosing to drive this year because I dont want my wife and daughter to get sexually assaulted by TSA. I would love to mess with the screener, maybe a few pleasurable moans when grabbed in the right places.
If there wasnt a news story every week about how ineffective TSA is at stopping every attempt to test there security then maybe people would have more patience. But the masses know that this is all a song and dance and in the end that TSA is not going to stop anything but a crying baby from having its formula.
If there wasnt a news story every week about how ineffective TSA is at stopping every attempt to test there security then maybe people would have more patience. But the masses know that this is all a song and dance and in the end that TSA is not going to stop anything but a crying baby from having its formula.
Let's go back to how it used to be. Bring all the liquids you want. Keep your shoes on. Metal detectors and x-ray machines only. BUT when we have another hijacking and terrorist attack, no one is allowed to bitch about airline security. Not a single word. Y'all got what you wanted.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: you can't have your cake and eat it too.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: you can't have your cake and eat it too.
You realize that if the terrorists get to the airport, they've already won, right?
Come on. Stop applying logic to the situation. It'll just make your head hurt worse.
Seriously, though. We could stuff everyone into adult diapers and strap them to the seats. No worries about hijackings anymore, and you'd be able to stuff 4 extra passenger seats in where the head used to be. We don't do this because it's disgusting, patently absurd, unworkable, and in direct contravention of the rights we claim are inalienable. So obviously the line has to be drawn somewhere. You've got to accept some level of risk. Yet every time the bad guys prove they've come up with another sick and twisted way to hit us, we go and give up more rights in order to be "safer."
Apparently, it's just like boiling the proverbial frog. Throw it in the pot of hot water and it jumps out. Turn it up slowly and it doesn't notice the difference till it's too late. Depressing, really. NEWS FLASH: Life is a terminal condition. We're all gonna die of something someday. What matters is how you live the life you've been given. Why don't people get this?
(Disclaimer: No frogs were harmed in the creation of this post, nor has its author ever investigated this phenomenon personally.)
Yet when a terrorist attack happens, everyone will point fingers and wonder why TSA didn't do more. As for having my kids and wife scanned, I wouldn't bat an eye...but I don't own a high horse either.
Also, TSA is trying to get the info out to everyone to make the process easier:
Also, TSA is trying to get the info out to everyone to make the process easier:
Guess none of these folk ever had a short-arm inspection.
After 9/11, no one was clamoring for a bunch of unqualified, untrained individuals to exercise the authority to control the free movement of citizen's around the country.
If there's any finger pointing, it's for failing to stop the plots before they get to the "walmart greeter fellow" tier of security. Maybe I've got a problem with sacrificing privacy for security measures that have been consistently proven ineffective.
've generally considered myself pretty realistic, though, so that might have something to do with my rational approach to the issue, vice the shoulder shrug method of handling unwarranted, thoughtless, and heavy handed government intrusion into something that is a fundamental right.
They would have to physically hold me down, and it would take multiple because I ain't small, if they even remotely tried that.
Clux4
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Hey America, it is ALL about MY rights. I don't care about TSA and whatever they have to do. It is hard as it is keeping up with Terrorist and their unrelenting efforts to blow up the Country but who cares, just don't grab MY junk. MY privacy is more important than collective safety. Why can't TSA start checking bags at the exits to the airport where the traffic can be held up for hours. That will definitely do the trick because the terrorist will be angry and drive off when the line becomes too long. The solution to this problem is really easy and I don't know why TSA needs to invade MY privacy.
Exactly. No one is saying keeping the flying public safe is easy, but that's the job TSA has been tasked with. They need to come up with a way to do this effectively without harassing every single customer. The military gets tasked with difficult jobs constantly, and they almost always have stipulations attached to them. I'm sure there are plenty of guys on here who would have a much easier time doing their jobs if they had lighter ROE and/or less scrutiny from the public, but that's the way we play the game. Why can't TSA be given some basic ROE with regard to us? Something like: keep passengers safe from terrorists without subjecting them to gross invasion of privacy. Just because they aren't finding a solution, doesn't mean there isn't one.
Bottom line for me is that every other governmental and law enforcement agency has strict guidelines to follow in these areas, and they still manage to function. Why on earth should TSA be any different?
Please define "qualified" and "untrained"...I'm guessing you have no idea what training they go through. As for the qualifications to get the job, the requirements to be in the military aren't much different, yet no one says every enlisted person in the military is a moron and we are doing a "walmart greeter type of soldiering". It just seems easy to look down on people who don't make a good living as being idiots, when we get frustrated.
Here is the deal: despite the absolutely stupid shit you said about Secretary Napolitano, her agency is trying to do the best job they can (*Disclaimer: she is my boss). I'm guessing there are those that would prefer racial profiling (which has been shown to be ineffective) to this, and I'm guessing there are those who would prefer nothing be done. The problem is that politically something has to done, and using technology like this on people seems like a good balance of privacy (seriously...a silvery outline of your wife would get you amped up? Seriously? I'm guessing you think ultrasounds of babies is child pornography?) , to security.
I actually agree with you about the government being intrusive, but these pics aren't where I would make my stand (I made it years ago with warrantless wiretapping, if you are taking score). As for the pat downs...well, I agree that they shouldn't occur, but take the scan and it won't happen.
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Don't like it? Don't fly. Flying commercially is far from a right. Greyhound and Amtrak need the business anyway.
That being said, I think that pilots should be able to bypass security.
That being said, I think that pilots should be able to bypass security.
"Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither"
-Benjamin Franklin
Flying is not a right, but being free from being treated like a criminal as an American citizen is. I am not naive to think that we don't need security, but at what cost will we draw the line? Maybe the NYC subway should have screeners for all passengers too. I know a terrorist could do a lot of damage to that system. What about every person boarding Amtrak? The TSA is kind of a misnomer because they don't really cover all transportation; only air travel. I understand that's a psychological and political reaction to 9/11, but things should be kept in perspective. I'm not going to run around yelling that we are a police state, but at many major airports that what it looks like, and it isn't right.
-Benjamin Franklin
Flying is not a right, but being free from being treated like a criminal as an American citizen is. I am not naive to think that we don't need security, but at what cost will we draw the line? Maybe the NYC subway should have screeners for all passengers too. I know a terrorist could do a lot of damage to that system. What about every person boarding Amtrak? The TSA is kind of a misnomer because they don't really cover all transportation; only air travel. I understand that's a psychological and political reaction to 9/11, but things should be kept in perspective. I'm not going to run around yelling that we are a police state, but at many major airports that what it looks like, and it isn't right.
I'll be sure to go tell my boss that I can't go on mission because I don't feel like getting my balls grabbed by some dude. I guess since I have fly commercially to do my job, then I'll just have to deal with having my balls played with.
To Herc, it's easy to sit back and say you would be cool with having your wife's body felt all up, with some pervert dude standing there watching, but it will be different once it does happen to her. Unless you don't give a shit, but not me. These guys are sticking bombs in their ass and getting through Saudi royalty security. So do we just accept anal probes too? We have to draw the line somewhere and I'd say that line is where if that TSA agent was just some guy on the street, and he felt me up, he goes to jail.
I agree something has to be done, but we could all be forced to strip down to our birthday suits and it won't stop these guys. We have to look at all of the factors like who is this guy, where is he from, then let TSA have their way with him. My wife though, she's off limits.