Towing is about 10% of my total flight time. I'd rather tow instead of burning circles in starboard D hour after hour.
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Heavy Metal (of the rotary kind)
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Towing is about 10% of my total flight time. I'd rather tow instead of burning circles in starboard D hour after hour.
Don't know what you're talking about.
091026-N-5319A-028 ATLANTIC OCEAN (Oct. 26, 2009) An MH-53E Sea Dragon helicopter lifts off from the flight deck of the amphibious assault ship USS Nassau (LHA 4) during a Composite Unit Training Exercise (COMPTUEX). COMPTUEX is designed to provide realistic training environments for U.S. naval forces that closely replicate the operational challenges routinely encountered during military operations worldwide. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Brien Aho/Released)
Just a friendly jab at the HM guys around Norfolk. Every couple of months they'd get upset because they had a "near mid air" with a 60. There was a HAZREP a few years ago about a "near mid air" that generated a lot of talking at just about every wing safety meeting.
Sounds kind of like Mayport. Guys who have never been stationed anywhere else will yell "near midair!" when it wasn't. If they saw the OLF patterns at Whiting or flew around North Island, their heads would explode.
That was almost never the case, at least when I was in.
Which makes it all the more ridiculous.
I still maintain that as a stud, one doesn't have the full SA to understand what a circus act the OLFs are.
Perhaps not, but at least solo you don't have another level of protection, and watching other aircraft going over and under you registers on SOME level. And all of the close-calls along the beachline coming back from Panama City on the airways/VNAV solo at the end of the syllabus? Yeah... I remember it being a bit of a circus, inexperienced SA notwithstanding.
There's actually a lot of stuff that does NOT happen at an OLF (and I'm talking VTs, not HTs) when a solo is in the pattern so I wouldn't equate it the same. As for HTs, personally, I'd say it's "different." You get to stop and do clearing turns and you boom around at 70 knots (or whatever).
The sad part is that this seems to be a problem at Mayport every day and they even have a tower, but I'll hold off on that rant for some other time.
Sometimes it seems to me that the people they have in tower are more of a hindrance than a help. Flying yesterday we get this exchange, which seems to be typical:
Twr: XXX, you have traffic at your 2 o clock, distance 2 mi altitude 1000'.
XXX: Contact
Twr: YYY, you have traffic at your 12, distance 1.5mi altitude 500'
YYY: negative contact
Twr: Now at your 1.
YYY: contact
Twr: XXX, YYY has you in sight. Break, YYY, XXX has you in sight.
And during that time no one in either cockpit can talk because tower is running their mouth. I know YYY has me in sight. I heard him because we're both on tower freq. That's how you were able to talk to both of us without switching. You'd get a lot of the same radio clutter flying out of the heliport in Norfolk and it would tend to just cause gridlock. Tower would hold birds on deck or alternately clear aircraft to take off into oncoming traffic.
Now I know they have to make these calls and they have their rules, but sometimes it seems to make things worse.
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