Open carry in Wisconsin...but you'll still end up faceplanted if you do it..

[HueyCobra8151]

The most ironic thing of it all is that those of us who are complaining (at least here) are generally able-bodied males who are the least likely to need protection.

The real people who are screwed over by these laws are little old ladies and the handicapped and other people who are otherwise unable to defend themselves.

 

[ZekeBathory]

The most ironic thing of it all is that those of us who are complaining (at least here) are generally able-bodied males who are the least likely to need protection.

The real people who are screwed over by these laws are little old ladies and the handicapped and other people who are otherwise unable to defend themselves.

Let me respectfully contradict you, Sir. I think it's more along the lines that we've all taken oaths to protect those who can't otherwise protect themselves.

Plus, guns kick ass.

 

[villanelle]

The most ironic thing of it all is that those of us who are complaining (at least here) are generally able-bodied males who are the least likely to need protection.

The real people who are screwed over by these laws are little old ladies and the handicapped and other people who are otherwise unable to defend themselves.

Thanks for pointing this out. I never really made the connection, but I think this is really interesting food for thought.

A (probably stupid) question about CA--if permits are granted by local governements, does that mean they are only good in that area? Is a CCW permit issued in Orange County valid in SD, for example?

 

[Bevo16]

The most ironic thing of it all is that those of us who are complaining (at least here) are generally able-bodied males who are the least likely to need protection.

Say what?

Face Palm?

 

[navy09]

A (probably stupid) question about CA--if permits are granted by local governements, does that mean they are only good in that area? Is a CCW permit issued in Orange County valid in SD, for example?

Though issued locally, the permits are valid statewide.

The only "exception" is in San Francisco (city limits), which has a municipal ordinance that requires all handguns to be locked in your house. Though you'd think state law would trump muni codes, it wouldn't be wise to try unless you have a lot of time and money on your hands.

 

[Bevo16]

The only "exception" is in San Francisco (city limits), which has a municipal ordinance that requires all handguns to be locked in your house.

I am sure that this law has caused a 100% elimination of all gun crime. Those left coasters sure are smart.

 

[navy09]

Those left coasters sure are smart.

Even more stringent laws exist in Chicago and DC. It's in no way a 'left coast' thing.

 

[Bevo16]

I think you missed the point.

 

[nittany03]

Though you'd think state law would trump muni codes, it wouldn't be wise to try unless you have a lot of time and money on your hands.

We'll see what happens when the repercussions from this spread around. To wit:

We therefore conclude that the right to keep and bear arms is "deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition." Colonial revolutionaries, the Founders, and a host of commentators and lawmakers living during the first one hundred years of the Republic all insisted on the fundamental nature of the right. It has long been regarded as the "true palladium of liberty." Colonists relied on it to assert and to win their independence, and the victorious Union sought to prevent a recalcitrant South from abridging it less than a century later. The crucial role this deeply rooted right has played in our birth and history compels us to recognize that it is indeed fundamental, that it is necessary to the Anglo-American conception of ordered liberty that we have inherited. We are therefore persuaded that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment and applies it against the states and local governments.

Short story, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has incorporated the Second Amendment. I wonder if the Supreme Court will be taking this up in the near future . . .

 

[rare21]

if carrying openly is in and of itself not against the law in a state, if people are calling the police that a person is walking around with a gun in the open then there are other crimes that they can be charged with. just fyi

 

[navy09]

^Interesting, hadn't heard that. I guess we'll see.

@Bevo- Lost in translation I guess; many of us 'left coasters' aren't liberal at all, though I realize it can be taken to mean "liberals everywhere."

I don't think anyone on here is going to argue that gun bans are effective. All stats I've seen indicate that their effect is negligible, which doesn't cut it when you're talking about such a severe restriction on the rights of law-abiding citizens.

 

[jorgelito]

Many of those "may issue" states are de facto no concealed carry. I believe the law in my native People's Democratic Republic of Maryland is federal officers, victims of assault within the last 90 days, and police officers can get a concealed carry permit. Everyone else is s.o.l.

Can military folks get a permit too?

 

[HueyCobra8151]

Say what?

Face Palm?

Eh, maybe I'm not speaking for you...but I think most of us could probably hold our own in say, a bar fight, or other altercation.

My point is merely that gun restrictions disproportionately harm the weakest members of our society.

Look at England, now granny has to wield a knife if she wants to feel safe in a bad part of town?

Stop trying to call people "liberals" simply because you feel it somehow advances your point. You aren't even calling people with liberal ideas or comments liberal.

 

[HueyCobra8151]

Let me respectfully contradict you, Sir. I think it's more along the lines that we've all taken oaths to protect those who can't otherwise protect themselves.

Plus, guns kick ass.

No impact, no idea.

 

[scoolbubba]

if carrying openly is in and of itself not against the law in a state, if people are calling the police that a person is walking around with a gun in the open then there are other crimes that they can be charged with. just fyi

I think that was something the AG in the state was attempting to rectify. Openly carrying a firearm is not necessarily disturbing the peace/causing a nuisance, was the jist of what I got from the memo. What other crimes can one be charged with?