MasterBates
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I forsee VP or HSL in the board-carryer's future.
If they don't go there, that was where they should have gone.
If they don't go there, that was where they should have gone.
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New trend (poll)- bringing mini white-boards to the brief
- Thread starter FlyingSquidz
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I have seen studs and have had onwings use them. I don't see what the BFD is, personally. I just think it is personal preference. I am not a huge systems nazi. My goal is to get the kid to pass his checkride and successfully solo. I tell my onwings that by the 4390 they need to be able to draw the basic systems (fuel, prop, oil) from memory or they are in danger of not passing the checkride. I have them brief me the systems two times during contacts, but I don't sit there and watch them draw it. If they can't draw it, then they are only screwing themselves. Like I have said before, if they can talk me through a very basic block diagram and know the limits associated with it, then that is all the brain cells they need to waste on systems.
Raptor2216
Registered User
That's my style as well. Am I asking the student to be able to draw a system to some engineer? No. I am asking that they understand the system and what happens when that particular system fails (meaning I'm more interested in the EPs). It's not like you'd be sitting in an aircraft and would draw out the system to figure out the solution to a particular emergency. Besides, if you can't affect it from the cockpit then it's probably not worth memorizing.
Tell that to the VP IPs. :icon_wink
All they wanted to do was bust my balls on useless widgets tucked away in some obscure part of the aircraft that is completely useless to me as a pilot and nothing you can do about in the cockpit.
phrogpilot73
Well-Known Member
I don't think that's what kmac meant. Knowing some useless widget tucked away that you can't affect, can lead you to determining exactly how far to stretch or tighten the definition of "Land as soon as possible."
For example - knowing that a filter is bypassed may allow you to stretch to land at an airfield.
What kmac refers to is probably knowing how many microns it can filter.
Totally agree. Sometimes the whiteboards were nice when space was limited (like when 4 form flights were briefing), otherwise, who cares? As Bunk said, IPs will know what they need to know about the student by the end of the brief.
Systems knowledge is important. But what I was getting at (perhaps I am no so good at da typing), was what you mentioned. That widget a is 57.54 Volts +- 0.37 or that the filter is 10 micron steel mesh, or that there are 7 static port holes, each 2 millimeters in diameter or whatever the hell.... basically crap that you'd have to ask a maintainer or look up in a maintenance manual.
I am seeing now in helos that systems knowledge is HUGE. That goes without saying. But knowing random, useless knowledge that doesn't help you as a pilot to troubleshoot or fix a problem is just a NATOPS dick contest.
Just wait till you go HSL. Then you get to know all those fun little details. :icon_tong
Oh yeah, VAW-120 was the same. What does the 3rd cam on the Alpha cam do? Who cares, it won't save you in the end. IP's considered it professional knowledge. Whatever helps them sleep at night.
I saw a stud with a big cardboard paper with a system drawn on it just today. We've gone to the white boards, to personal boards to big cardboard drawings. Whatever makes the student happy. I won't complain.
I voted yes because I use my own whiteboard when I have to draw a system. I don't know how the rest of you manage to draw on a vertical board while stooping over that desk. If I do it at home it actually looks like the system I'm supposed to be briefing. I'll label the components but I have the specs memorized. My onwing was okay with it so I continued doing it.
It also keeps me from having to get to the lineshack an hour before I brief. It's frusterating to have to wait for a briefing space because guys briefing at noon have a space set up at 1000, then went to the greasy spoon.
All that aside. If the IP strolls in and erases it, I damn well make sure I can draw it again.
This seems like more studs getting worked up over nothing. "Dude, nice gay drawing from home. Why are you dipping your piss cutter? You don't rate that jacket yet. Blah blah blah."
It also keeps me from having to get to the lineshack an hour before I brief. It's frusterating to have to wait for a briefing space because guys briefing at noon have a space set up at 1000, then went to the greasy spoon.
All that aside. If the IP strolls in and erases it, I damn well make sure I can draw it again.
This seems like more studs getting worked up over nothing. "Dude, nice gay drawing from home. Why are you dipping your piss cutter? You don't rate that jacket yet. Blah blah blah."
Wow, keep coming strong with the HSL hate! Just kidding, I suppose there is some truth in it...
...although, the SNA's who were more likely to carry little whiteboards with them around South Field probably got their choice of 60S or 60R, and the slapdicks like me who were out drinking beers and bedding college girls are now proud members of the LAMPS team...
phrogpilot73
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In the fleet, absolutely. In HT's, I'd argue that it's about getting you in the proper mindset.