OCS - fail to complete aviation, get kicked out of the navy?

[scottwith1t]

This is what we were told during our IFS brief. We were told that if OCS guys fail to complete aviation training, be it NPQ, DOR, fail out, whatever, they are being separated from the Navy as of August 1st of this year.

Does anyone know more about this? We had not heard anything about this before this brief.

 

[BACONATOR]

Ditto. I responded to a recent applicant's question with this response as well. The commodore briefed those of us who went to OCS waiting to class up as well. For the time being, you DOR/attrite/NPQ, you will MOST likely go home, UNLESS you can manage to redes to NFO (if you're SNA).

The redesignation is going to be case by case and will happen before you go before a board to separate. This is also only going to be for SNA related issues (NPQ for SNA but not SNFO, or just CAN'T land a plane to go solo or something).

If the NFO route is not an option (attrite for lack of effort or grades/academics etc) then prepare to separate. Going to be an honorable/admin separation AFAIK.

 

[IKE]

It's my understanding that the Navy's policy on DORs/attrites is dependent on its current need for JOs. If recruiting numbers are low, you'll go SWO, or at least IA/intel, etc. If we've got plenty of JOs, it's hello civilian life. As an ENS, if you DOR/attrite from API/Primary, they haven't invested enough in you to make it worth having an extra officer around for 5-8 years.

In May 2004, the Navy was so overmanned that they offered some 1/C ROTC middies the chance to go straight to inactive reserve status after graduation. I knew a prior HM2 who took the offer...

 

[BACONATOR]

It's my understanding that the Navy's policy on DORs/attrites is dependent on its current need for JOs. If recruiting numbers are low, you'll go SWO, or at least IA/intel, etc. If we've got plenty of JOs, it's hello civilian life. As an ENS, if you DOR/attrite from API/Primary, they haven't invested enough in you to make it worth having an extra officer around for 5-8 years.

In May 2004, the Navy was so overmanned that they offered some 1/C ROTC middies the chance to go straight to inactive reserve status after graduation. I knew a prior HM2 who took the offer...

IIRC, the commodore said there is something like a 100 officer surplus for the current FY and next year it is projected to be 200. Since OCS is such a SMALL contributer to Officer accessions, we'll just have to see if it remains restricted to OCS grads or spreads to JOs of other commissioning sources.

I didn't bother to ask how I will be affected since I'm BDCP but, then again, I don't plan on attriting.

 

[fc2spyguy]

IIRC, the commodore said there is something like a 100 officer surplus for the current FY and next year it is projected to be 200. Since OCS is such a SMALL contributer to Officer accessions, we'll just have to see if it remains restricted to OCS grads or spreads to JOs of other commissioning sources.

I didn't bother to ask how I will be affected since I'm BDCP but, then again, I don't plan on attriting.

While there are some, I don't think many do

 

[Picaroon]

How would that change, if at all, if they had already put money into you as a BDCP person? Like say you went NPQ after OCS.

Anyway, sounds like just one more reason not to f*ck anything up...

 

[magnetfreezer]

UNLESS you can manage to redes to NFO (if you're SNA).

The redesignation is going to be case by case and will happen before you go before a board to separate. This is also only going to be for SNA related issues (NPQ for SNA but not SNFO, or just CAN'T land a plane to go solo or something).

I know a SNA down here who is probably going to be attrited from IFS due to severe landing issues. Is SNFO an option for IFS as well or is it only for those in primary already? In AF IFS inability to land could be waived for navs as long as the instructor thought you were OK with the rest of the program, didn't know if this was the case for Navy as well.

 

[BACONATOR]

I know a SNA down here who is probably going to be attrited from IFS due to severe landing issues. Is SNFO an option for IFS as well or is it only for those in primary already? In AF IFS inability to land could be waived for navs as long as the instructor thought you were OK with the rest of the program, didn't know if this was the case for Navy as well.

That's a GOOD question for your buddy to ask up his CoC. If I understand it correctly, IFS is a requirement, and I know SNAs who have attrited for not being able to land and SNFOs who attrited for not being allowed to solo... so be prepared for the worse, but ask and don't give up.

 

[Uncle Fester]

New policy is that OCS (IOW, if the Navy didn't pay for your education) attrites, DOR's, and FNAEB's will be sent home. It's a force-shaping thing.

 

[BACONATOR]

So basically: DON'T FUCK IT UP!

 

[Uncle Fester]

So basically: DON'T FUCK IT UP!

Sage advice in any stage of the program.

 

[nugget81]

New policy is that OCS (IOW, if the Navy didn't pay for your education) attrites, DOR's, and FNAEB's will be sent home. It's a force-shaping thing.

How high up the food chain does this go? I mean, will a first cruise nugget who gets an unfavorable FNAEB (I know, it's redundant) be sent packing? Is this Primary/API/IFS only?

 

[scottwith1t]

So basically: DON'T FUCK IT UP!

some people still get NPQ'ed when they get down here

 

[rugby mike]

Does anyone know if this is just for the IFS/API phase or also for Primary/Advanced? I'm stuck at Vance so of course I get no Navy info. I just find this surprising because I know someone who was NPQ'd last month for aviation before API and tried getting out but was made to redesignate to CEC.

 

[Uncle Fester]

How high up the food chain does this go? I mean, will a first cruise nugget who gets an unfavorable FNAEB (I know, it's redundant) be sent packing? Is this Primary/API/IFS only?

Word is, at least 'til the end of the RAG. Subject to change, like everything else in the Navy.