Looking for gouge? Ask your Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation here (Part 1)

[llnick2001]

If we're that high sure. Usually we work in cherubs (100's instead of 1000's) though.

 

[insanebikerboy]

How high is 1 angels? I gather its 1000 feet. Is this just a TACAIR term or do Helos and maritime use it as well?

Yup, 1000 feet per angel, so angels 5 is 5000. Cherubs denote 100's of feet, so cherubs 3 is 300 feet. I have no idea about angels wrt to helos, but I have heard cherubs kicked around some here in the HT's.

A couple of good links for that kind of stuff.
http://marinegouge.com/mediawiki-1.6.6/index.php?title=T3101#Shipboard_Terminology
http://www.tailhook.org/AVSLANG.htm

 

[A4sForever]

How high is 1 angels? I gather its 1000 feet. Is this just a TACAIR term or do Helos and maritime use it as well?

Actually .... it's Angels One ... i.e., one thousand feet. Everyone uses it; attack and fighters believe "we" invented it.

Angels we have heard on high ....

 

[Nose]

If we're that high sure. Usually we work in cherubs (100's instead of 1000's) though.

Unless something is changed, ATC bubbas are no longer allowed to use "Cherubs." The ATC gurus took it out, God knows why. Of course we still use it, but the ATC guys had to say "Angels point five" for 500 feet.

Silly rulemakers...

 

[phrogpilot73]

Yes, we use both Angels and Cherubs in the helo world - especially around the boat. We prefer Cherubs though

 

[Catmando]

No worries, Cat.

Call it what you will...but for me and my JO wardroom buddies, it was the freakin' whistle from hell.

Yeah, for me too......... and sorry for starting to (almost) sound like a --

 

[Mumbles]

i've never heard "angels" from ATC.... only used it after I'm due regard and checking in with Zulu or Red Crown.

 

[llnick2001]

I've never heard either on the civilian side either. I'm still pretty green though.

 

[nittany03]

I think it's military only . . . a substitute for "one-zero thousand" or "flight level two five zero."

 

[Schnugg]

Nose is right...Cherubs is out...Angels is in for boat/tower ATC calls.

 

[A4sForever]

i've never heard "angels" from ATC.... only used it after I'm due regard and checking in with Zulu or Red Crown.

And for the rest of you .....

"Angels" is used by old-school ATC types outside CONUS on a not infrequent and regular basis; especially by civilian-former-U.S.-military contract guys who sometimes populate the towers in and around the Far East. Sometimes Aussies and Brits, too .... Hong Kong and Singapore, for example.

It's always refreshing to get handed off to approach when shooting an IFR nighttime arrival in Hong Kong and get a Texas voice that sez: "Hi!! How ya'll tonight ... ???"

I've heard "angels" stateside, too --- just not as often. Stateside is more uniform and standardized with their terminology .....

 

[Nose]

i've never heard "angels" from ATC.... only used it after I'm due regard and checking in with Zulu or Red Crown.

Yeah, I meant USN ATC. They took it out of their "standard phrases" list about 10 yrs ago.

Never heard FAA ATC use Angels, but I'm a domestic guy. They'd shoot me down if'n I tried to cross one of the ponds.

I have used and heard used "Popeye" many times with civilian ATC - they get it.

 

[FLYTPAY]

Never heard FAA ATC use Angels, but I'm a domestic guy. They'd shoot me down if'n I tried to cross one of the ponds.

I have used and heard used "Popeye" many times with civilian ATC - they get it.

I've heard a controller use Angels and accidentally said Popeye domestically while on a civil flight. The controller in Jax App was very accomodating when I said Popeye....he was a T-bar regular.

 

[A4sForever]

.....I have used and heard used "Popeye" many times with civilian ATC - they get it.

POPEYE and TALLY -- most of 'em get it.

 

[FLYTPAY]

TALLY -- most of 'em get it.

I got bitched at in primary by a Cobra guy for calling Tally and Looking....yes this was in May of this year.