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F18 Superhornet or F16CJ

Which is the better fighter F18 Super Hornet or F16CJ

  • F18 Super Hornet

    Votes: 44 84.6%
  • F16 CJ

    Votes: 8 15.4%

  • Total voters
    52
  • Poll closed .
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mts4602

Registered User
This should be interesting...:(

although I believe the correct response is: it's not the plane, its the pilot.

i.e. the F/A 22 picture...
 

EODDave

The pastures are greener!
pilot
Super Moderator
I'm going to go with the Rhino. It's not because thats what I fly, but overall its a better package for combat. I'm also going to throw out the single seat point as the "F" model brings even more capablity to the fight with FAC(A) capabilities. The F will shine more as the APG-79 is retrofitted to the rest of the Rhino fleet as well. My two cents is that the Rhino has way to many toys for one guy to use alone. I'm sure UI Navy will back me up on this even though he fllies the oldest Rhino's in the Navy.
 

SteveG75

Retired and starting that second career
None
Having the best fighter doesn't count if you can't get to the fight. 4-1/2 acres of sovereign US territory floating 12 miles off the coast is a lot better than trying to negotiate fly-over rights for a bunch of fighters and tankers.
 

eddie

Working Plan B
Contributor
WTF does CJ even mean? And what is with all this Block ## deliniation crap?


I thought the Navy used to be bad with F4F and F4U and such, but at least those designations indicated, oh, ya know, totally friggin different aircraft...

Isn't the CJ hogging all the HARM kills these days?

Why might this be or not be?
 

FMRAM

Combating TIP training AGAIN?!
f-16cj_iraqifree_3_large.jpg
 

bunk22

Super *********
pilot
Super Moderator
UInavy said:
So are ascotts. At least dave gave some good info, vice the normal fanboy propoganda and uninformed blabber that often springs up here. Honestly, don't F/A guys generally have one favorite topic......?

It's funny in that the majority who will respond to this thread will not only not be fighter guys but won't be aviators either.
 

e6bflyer

Used to Care
pilot
A better question is:

An entire fleet of Vipers and Rhinos vs. Ditka with leg irons and one hand tied behind his back....

Any takers?
 

Swanee

Cereal Killer
pilot
None
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WTF does CJ even mean? And what is with all this Block ## deliniation crap?


I thought the Navy used to be bad with F4F and F4U and such, but at least those designations indicated, oh, ya know, totally friggin different aircraft...



Why might this be or not be?

Block number in the Tens indicates major rebuilds of the airplane. In the ones it indicates changes, but not major rebuilds. A block 5 Viper and a block 50 Viper are two different airplanes, similar to how a Hornet and a SuperHornet are 2 different airplanes. Blocks of F-16s are 1, 2, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 32, 40, 42, 50, 52, and the most recent are the UAE jets, the Block 60/62.

CJ is block 50/52. C denotes single seat (c model) J is basically production run. Most people in the AF connected to the Viper just call each one by their block number, not CJ or what not. BTW any block ending in 0 or 5 has a GE engine in it, anything ending in 2 has a Pratt and Sh... Whitney motor.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions.html explains the many F-16 versions in detail if you want to know more.
 

HeyJoe

Fly Navy! ...or USMC
None
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Block number in the Tens indicates major rebuilds of the airplane. In the ones it indicates changes, but not major rebuilds.

Close, but first digit is the production block/lot and not a "rebuild" indicator. Block or Lot numbers numbers are used to differentiate the Block/Lots as they typically but not always) correspond to the year(s) the Block/Lot were built. Upgrades such as MLU/CCIP* in the case of the F-16 would indicate a "rebuild" or upgrade to improve capability and standardize configurations.

*MLU = Mid Life Upgrade (participating foreign operators)
CCIP = Common Configuration Implementation Program (USAF)

The F-15, F-16 and F/A-18 each had corresponding upgrades to increase capability and standardize configuration. In the past, these would have been called CILOP (conversion in lieu of procurement...ie F-4B to F-4N or F-4J to F-4S) but Congress is very hard on new type/model/series so aircraft have kept their initial type/model/series designation like F/A-18A, EA-6B or E-2C but have been significantly upgraded through Engineering Change Proposals (ECP) that usually have an associated acronym like ICAP III or a popular name like Hawkeye 2000.

CJ is block 50/52. C denotes single seat (c model) J is basically production run.

Again, close, but the CJ model is something special and was developed to perform the Wild Weasel mission replacing the very specialized F-4G model Phantoms that trace their lineage to the definitive Vietnam Wild Weasel, the F-105G. The CJ has the Harm Targeting System (HTS) integrated so the CJ can perform the SEAD mission effectively and that is the primary distinction of the CJ over other F-16C models. Back to thread, the Navy flies the traditional Iron Hand mission dating from Vietnam but never introduced specialized units like the Wild Weasels even though certain A-6 Intruders had considerable capability (Shrike + Standard ARM). Unlike the F-16, all F/A-18 series can carry HARM as could later A-7E and A-6E aircraft.
 
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