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Harrier and Hornets futures!

Mets

Member
Right...so if I said they were going to stop flying F-18's completely, and the Super Hornet is an F-18, then how is that a contradiction?

Anyway I apologize for apparently being so confusing. I'll just stop commenting on this now.
 

snake020

Contributor
Oh, Wikipedia, so it must be true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F/A-18_Hornet&oldid=107087802#The_Truth

Many would consider the F/A-18 a great or even better aircraft compared to the worlds modern fighters, F-22, Rafale, Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon, MiG-29, and Su-37, the fact is, that the F/A-18 is inferior to all of these fighters, as well as the F-14. It has poor range and cannot excel against any of these aircraft. The aircraft that the Hornet and Super Hornet have or are replacing include the A-7 Corsair II, A-6 Intruder, S-3 Viking, EA-6B Prowler and the F-14, which all serve completely different roles. In the early nineties an Israeli F/A-18 was shot down by an Iraqi MiG-25 Foxbat, which is a high speed interceptor, it isn’t even made for dog fighting.

The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is an aircraft with a new wing, fuselage and empennage, and is thus a new aircraft, F/A-18C's cannot be modified to become a Super Hornet, yet the US Navy proposed this aircraft as a 'modification program' when clearly it's only a Hornet by name. When new aircraft are proposed they need Congress approval and the Super Hornet never got that approval and is thus an illegal aircraft.


Thanks for clearing that up, guess I shouldn't reapply for Navy Air. I'll have to join the Iraqi AF now and fly the superior MiG-25 (that is if I can find it when I'm digging through the sand). I wouldn't want to fly an illegal aircraft either because aviators don't want to break the laws.
 

Mets

Member
Silver you quoted the part that is marked as being vandalism...

If I'm wrong I'm sorry, before I posted anything nobody really gave a good answer, so I was just trying to post what I read in the news.
 

bunk22

Super *********
pilot
Super Moderator
Oh, Wikipedia, so it must be true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F/A-18_Hornet&oldid=107087802#The_Truth

Many would consider the F/A-18 a great or even better aircraft compared to the worlds modern fighters, F-22, Rafale, Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon, MiG-29, and Su-37, the fact is, that the F/A-18 is inferior to all of these fighters, as well as the F-14. It has poor range and cannot excel against any of these aircraft. The aircraft that the Hornet and Super Hornet have or are replacing include the A-7 Corsair II, A-6 Intruder, S-3 Viking, EA-6B Prowler and the F-14, which all serve completely different roles. In the early nineties an Israeli F/A-18 was shot down by an Iraqi MiG-25 Foxbat, which is a high speed interceptor, it isn’t even made for dog fighting.

The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is an aircraft with a new wing, fuselage and empennage, and is thus a new aircraft, F/A-18C's cannot be modified to become a Super Hornet, yet the US Navy proposed this aircraft as a 'modification program' when clearly it's only a Hornet by name. When new aircraft are proposed they need Congress approval and the Super Hornet never got that approval and is thus an illegal aircraft.

Now thats some funny stuff. Probably my favorite has to do with the Israeli Hornet that was shot down. I hear those Israeli Hornets are pure garbage. Looks to me like this info is pure garbage. Gotta love the internet and its experts :D
 

joboy_2.0

professional undergraduate
Contributor
Now thats some funny stuff. Probably my favorite has to do with the Israeli Hornet that was shot down. I hear those Israeli Hornets are pure garbage. Looks to me like this info is pure garbage. Gotta love the internet and its experts :D


Since when do the Israelis have F-18s?:D
 

raptor10

Philosoraptor
Contributor
From Wikipedia:

Design evolution

In the 1990s the US Navy faced the retirement of its aging F-14 Tomcat, A-6 Intruder, EA-6 Prowler airframes without proper replacements even in development. To answer this deficiency, the Navy developed the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. Despite its designation, it is not an upgrade of the F/A-18 Hornet, but rather, a new, larger airframe utilizing the design concepts of the Hornet. Until the deployment of the F-35C Lightning II, Hornets and Super Hornets will serve complementary roles in the US Navy carrier arsenal.
Sorry I just had to. As I was...
 

Fmr1833

Shut the F#%k up, dummy!
None
Contributor
The fact the Mets has referred to Wikipedia as "the news" more than once makes me want to puke. As my former Gunny used to say Mets, Good Initiative, Bad Judgement.

As for your awesome reference to "The Admiralty"...what else can I say, but...
 

raptor10

Philosoraptor
Contributor
The fact the Mets has referred to Wikipedia as "the news" more than once makes me want to puke.

Which brings to mind an interesting point, [threadjack] between wikipedia and the internet and the news, where can the general public go to find accurate information? And can a democracy truly function if the people can't inform themselves???
 

FMRAM

Combating TIP training AGAIN?!
Right...so if I said they were going to stop flying F-18's completely, and the Super Hornet is an F-18, then how is that a contradiction?

Anyway I apologize for apparently being so confusing. I'll just stop commenting on this now.

How about you just stop posting altogether? :)
 

Fmr1833

Shut the F#%k up, dummy!
None
Contributor
If you're concerned about accurate knowledge of congressional testimony, try CSPAN...especially as said testimony may apply to the current thread. Transcripts of those proceedings are also available. That having been said, most people would rather have Wolf Blitzer tell them how to interpret what may or may not have happened that day in the world.
 

BigRed389

Registered User
None
UInavy said:
When did the 'Admiralty' testify before Congress that the USMC is going to buy SH's? Don't believe everything you did/didn't read on the internet. ....and relax. There are much more important things to get yourself worked up about. You're wrong and we're trying to gently hint that you're wrong. Consider your audience before trying to tell us what we know and don't know.

Uh oh...did we lose a war?

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!
 

jarhead

UAL CA; retired hinge
pilot
/... The Harriers, on average, are newer airframes with more capable weapons systems.

while I agree that the Harriers are newer than the Hornet, I'm not too sure about it having more capable weapon systems than the Hornet. What does it carry that a Hornet can't? I'm not trying to argue here, just curious why you made that statement.

Semper Fidelis
 

raptor10

Philosoraptor
Contributor
while I agree that the Harriers are newer than the Hornet, I'm not too sure about it having more capable weapon systems than the Hornet. What does it carry that a Hornet can't? I'm not trying to argue here, just curious why you made that statement.

Semper Fidelis

I think is referring to the avionics. Mets was telling me that the A+ model Hornets are pretty archaic.
 

Brett327

Well-Known Member
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
If you're concerned about accurate knowledge of congressional testimony, try CSPAN...especially as said testimony may apply to the current thread. Transcripts of those proceedings are also available. That having been said, most people would rather have Wolf Blitzer tell them how to interpret what may or may not have happened that day in the world.

I've recently (this past year) been watching a lot of the congressional hearings that are archived on C-SPAN and think it's one of the better ways to be truly informed on a topic. Unlike the soundbites that filter down into the mainstream media, watching a 2-3 hour session where the details of a given issue are discussed and debated by both legislators and policy makers gives you a pretty thorough understanding of what's really going on. I've recently watched testimony from such figures as the Fed Chairman, James Baker/Lee Hamilton, Newt Gingrich, ADM Fallon and others. I strongly recommend it.

Brett
 

Lawman

Well-Known Member
None
I've recently (this past year) been watching a lot of the congressional hearings that are archived on C-SPAN and think it's one of the better ways to be truly informed on a topic. Unlike the soundbites that filter down into the mainstream media, watching a 2-3 hour session where the details of a given issue are discussed and debated by both legislators and policy makers gives you a pretty thorough understanding of what's really going on. I've recently watched testimony from such figures as the Fed Chairman, James Baker/Lee Hamilton, Newt Gingrich, ADM Fallon and others. I strongly recommend it.

Brett


So what should those of us with an active sex life do to get this same kind of information..... Leave it on during?
 
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