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Road to 350: What Does the US Navy Do Anyway?

phrogdriver said:
I think you missed the point of that saying.
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I don't think he did. I think he's pointing out how it's a catchy saying that loses all meaning when you 'walk the dog' on what it's actually trying to say.

Oh, you made sure that the sailors on the USS Ford has their NFAAS updated and there was a good OMBUDSMAN network before they did one of the longest deployments in history and missed countless life events?

Ok, mission comes first. Roger that. Then don't pretend like we're some new-age people-centric organization. It sets false expectations and creates hate and discontent when those expectations aren't met.
 
Brett327 said:
No, they just won’t be doing it on amphibs.
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FormerRecruitingGuru said:
The CNO memo lists platforms where 13XX’s will go for deep draft command like ESBs and LCCs (just to name two).
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I'm taking it from what the article said.


"Caudle’s memo said that as part of the ongoing assessment, the Navy is revaluating the deep draft requirement for carrier commanders.

The service will “determine the most effective method to develop command-at-sea competency and proficiency for aviators selected for the nuclear power pipeline in order to reduce or eliminate the requirement for a separate deep draft command tour,” reads the memo."


It also notes that "Excluding aircraft carriers, that’s a total of eight in commission ships that aviators can command — two submarine tenders, two command ships and five ESBs. However, the Navy has laid up two of the five ESB due to the ongoing manning challenges of U.S. Military Sealift Command."

I recognize that I'm way out of my element here (hence why I'm getting info from an article) but 8 ships available to complete the prereqs for CVN command, of which 2 are laid up, for 11 CVNs doesn't seem feasible without playing games on tour lengths. And it leaves little to no room for attrition.

I'm also interested that rather than say, "we're adding SWOs to the list for command of small decks" and perhaps doing something like ensuring the Skipper and the XO are either an Aviator or a SWO but both aren't the same at the same time, they just nixed aviators from eligibility.
 
Swanee said:
I'm taking it from what the article said.


"Caudle’s memo said that as part of the ongoing assessment, the Navy is revaluating the deep draft requirement for carrier commanders.

The service will “determine the most effective method to develop command-at-sea competency and proficiency for aviators selected for the nuclear power pipeline in order to reduce or eliminate the requirement for a separate deep draft command tour,” reads the memo."


It also notes that "Excluding aircraft carriers, that’s a total of eight in commission ships that aviators can command — two submarine tenders, two command ships and five ESBs. However, the Navy has laid up two of the five ESB due to the ongoing manning challenges of U.S. Military Sealift Command."

I recognize that I'm way out of my element here (hence why I'm getting info from an article) but 8 ships available to complete the prereqs for CVN command, of which 2 are laid up, for 11 CVNs doesn't seem feasible without playing games on tour lengths. And it leaves little to no room for attrition.

I'm also interested that rather than say, "we're adding SWOs to the list for command of small decks" and perhaps doing something like ensuring the Skipper and the XO are either an Aviator or a SWO but both aren't the same at the same time, they just nixed aviators from eligibility.
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You should just read the memo, which is pretty clear.
 
phrogdriver said:
What does this do to all the XOs waiting to fleet up?

I also wonder if there is any quantitative data that aviator-led ships have worse readiness, material, personnel, or otherwise.
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Probably not, unless it’s a knee jerk reaction from incident. A SWO has no business commanding a ship with 30+ aircraft onboard.

I’ll add that the worst knowledge or experience base of amphibious ops in my career came from SWOs. Not bad people, but lack the institutional knowledge to be as effective as their winged peers. An aviator no matter the background understood deck cycles, basic air-planning, and time critical decision making. Horrible decision all around.
 
If it were only LHD/As having material readiness issues I could buy it, but it’s not. LSDs are in even worse shape and the surface connectors are hurting too. The amphib community is just underresourced overall.
 
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