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Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
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aaaaaand now the CDC director is in hot water on the Twittersphere for making "insensitive" comments in revealing that 75% of covid deaths were people with four or more comorbidities.

Knock me over with a feather.
 

wink

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February 7, to Woodward: “It goes through air, Bob. That’s always tougher than the touch. You know, the touch, you don’t have to touch things, right? But the air, you just breathe the air, and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one, that’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than your — you know, your, even your strenuous flus. … This is more deadly. This is five per — you know, this is five percent versus one percent and less than one percent. You know? So this is deadly stuff.”

January 30, in a speech: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully.”

February 26, at a press conference: “When you have 15 people [infected by the coronavirus in the US], and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

February 27, at a White House meeting: “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

March 9, on Twitter: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”
Stop now. Can we just stipulate that a lot of what turned out to be incorrect statements were made and assumptions off the mark, ON BOTH SIDES? We have only just put a stop to the back and forth of parsing statements and internet derived quote wars. You could fill a NYC sized phone book ( if you are less than 30, it was really big) of balancing misstatements, lies, inaccuracies, studies, charts and social media posts from both sides. No one has the market cornered on stupid let alone the truth of the matter. Hell, the planet is a big place. This debate is not restricted to the USA. Look around. It isn't GOP vs DEM or Trump vs Biden. I hardly think Marjory Green is stirring up protests in Europe or Biden is driving government policy in the UK.
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
aaaaaand now the CDC director is in hot water on the Twittersphere for making "insensitive" comments in revealing that 75% of covid deaths were people with four or more comorbidities.

Knock me over with a feather.
Yeah, the federal government is now in the uncomfortable position of slowly trying to convince all the people it's been scaring for the last two years that it's totally safe to go back to normal. Also, the EUA vaccine totally works even though we're at record cases and the CFR hasn't budged.

Probably shouldn't have capitulated to mandatory mask wear last July, then. I say this because mask wearing in public is the biggest 'symbol' that this needs to be in the forefront of everyone's minds. Remove mandatory mask wear and all the social distancing signs for ~6 months and the U.S. will completely forget about COVID-19 (note: Time can be significantly reduced if a celebrity does something outlandish).

PS: Also, hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed if private practitioners actually went to work and agreed to see sick patients. It's not like they took an oath to do such a thing...
 
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Mirage

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Stop now. Can we just stipulate that a lot of what turned out to be incorrect statements were made and assumptions off the mark, ON BOTH SIDES? We have only just put a stop to the back and forth of parsing statements and internet derived quote wars. You could fill a NYC sized phone book ( if you are less than 30, it was really big) of balancing misstatements, lies, inaccuracies, studies, charts and social media posts from both sides. No one has the market cornered on stupid let alone the truth of the matter. Hell, the planet is a big place. This debate is not restricted to the USA. Look around. It isn't GOP vs DEM or Trump vs Biden. I hardly think Marjory Green is stirring up protests in Europe or Biden is driving government policy in the UK.
Agreed completely. @taxi1, my point isn't that Trump was right about everything. My point is that nobody was right about almost anything near the beginning, and they (govt experts and representatives) are still continually wrong with almost every definitive statement anyone makes. Biden said fairly recently you won't get or spread COVID with a vaccine. Etc etc. You and @Brett327 singling out Trump's statements that haven't aged well and acting like that is somehow uniquely him or unique to one party or the other is ludicrous. That's my point.
 

Brett327

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Fact check: this is utter nonsense.

Guess who said these things:
"There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is."

"These kinds of respiratory viruses tend to go down as you get into summer months."

Your lord and savior Dr. Fauci. You know, Trump's chief medical advisor. Wonder why Trump said similar things?

Others have pointed out the myriad of things Trump did to try and stop the spread of COVID.
Yes, I understand that you believe these things. :D
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
aaaaaand now the CDC director is in hot water on the Twittersphere for making "insensitive" comments in revealing that 75% of covid deaths were people with four or more comorbidities.
Out of curiosity, what is the 'twittersphere' and why should I care about its opinion? Is it an expert on infectious diseases or something?
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
February 7, to Woodward: “It goes through air, Bob. That’s always tougher than the touch. You know, the touch, you don’t have to touch things, right? But the air, you just breathe the air, and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one, that’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than your — you know, your, even your strenuous flus. … This is more deadly. This is five per — you know, this is five percent versus one percent and less than one percent. You know? So this is deadly stuff.”

January 30, in a speech: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully.”

February 26, at a press conference: “When you have 15 people [infected by the coronavirus in the US], and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

February 27, at a White House meeting: “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

March 9, on Twitter: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”
I am utterly shocked... Shocked I say... That the leader of the free world tried to put a positive spin on a potential crisis. No one has ever done this before in the history of the world. Someone ought to have impeached that man!
 

taxi1

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PS: Also, hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed if private practitioners actually went to work and agreed to see sick patients.
People being admitted to the hospital don't have mild cases of Covid. What do you think your PCP could do with them?

Last month our local hospital, for the first time in its history, closed the doors to its ER due to be crushed by Covid patients. It's the only hospital in the county, so for that night patients had to enjoy a 45+ minute ride to the next nearest hospital. I'd have been pissed off beyond measure if one of my kids had to be seen and couldn't due to the overflow.
 

GroundPounder

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People being admitted to the hospital don't have mild cases of Covid. What do you think your PCP could do with them?

Last month our local hospital, for the first time in its history, closed the doors to its ER due to be crushed by Covid patients. It's the only hospital in the county, so for that night patients had to enjoy a 45+ minute ride to the next nearest hospital. I'd have been pissed off beyond measure if one of my kids had to be seen and couldn't due to the overflow.

We have 5 hospitals in my county, and last week they were all on 100% diversion. The issue here is that many of the places that you would go to with a fever or body aches ( primary care physicians, non emergency walk in clinics etc. ) are not allowing people with fevers to enter. Add on to that the amount of people that go to the hospital out of fear when a co-worker tests positive.

The Fear Porn that was unleased has people unhinged.
 
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taxi1

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We have 5 hospitals in my county, and last week they were all on 100% diversion. The issue here is that many of the places that you would go to with a fever or body aches ( primary care physicians, non emergency walk in clinics etc. ) are now allowing people with fevers to enter.
Those people get sent on their way by the ERs. It's the ones that are actually sick that are occupying the beds. Google on "covid admission criteria".
 

GroundPounder

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Those people get sent on their way by the ERs. It's the ones that are actually sick that are occupying the beds. Google on "covid admission criteria".
The hospitals were not overwhelmed by Covid patients, nor were they being admitted. The hospitals were overwhelmed by people with irrational fears, compounded by the fact that normal providers of health care won't see them. The hospitals were not full of admitted people, they were to the point where they could not fit ER patients anywhere.

True story, it was extremely difficult for my wife to get into a doctor's office last week due to her having a fever. She is a stage IV cancer patient with post surgical bronchitis. At one point, it looked like we were going to have to drive to Atlanta ( 3 hours ) where she is in a clinical trial.

I am a bit over Covid irrationality.
 

ABMD

Bullets don't fly without Supply
aaaaaand now the CDC director is in hot water on the Twittersphere for making "insensitive" comments in revealing that 75% of covid deaths were people with four or more comorbidities.

Knock me over with a feather.
and some regional facts from those on the front line at our local hospital. My sister's BF, is a case manager and every single COVID patient in the hospital is obese and in some cases, morbidly obese. Young people, mid-aged and elderly, they are all significantly overweight including children. Doesn't matter their vaccination status, what matters is that they aren't taking care of themselves.
 

ABMD

Bullets don't fly without Supply
People being admitted to the hospital don't have mild cases of Covid. What do you think your PCP could do with them?

Last month our local hospital, for the first time in its history, closed the doors to its ER due to be crushed by Covid patients. It's the only hospital in the county, so for that night patients had to enjoy a 45+ minute ride to the next nearest hospital. I'd have been pissed off beyond measure if one of my kids had to be seen and couldn't due to the overflow.
Are they being admitted because of COVID or with COVID?
 

taxi1

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aaaaaand now the CDC director is in hot water on the Twittersphere for making "insensitive" comments in revealing that 75% of covid deaths were people with four or more comorbidities.

Knock me over with a feather.
Doesn't matter their vaccination status, what matters is that they aren't taking care of themselves.

She was talking about vaccinated people.

All persons with severe COVID-19 outcomes after primary vaccination had at least one of the eight risk factors identified as significant in the model. The frequency of having four or more risk factors increased with disease severity, ranging from 18.8% (386) among persons who had nonsevere outcomes, 56.9% (87) among survivors who had respiratory failure or were admitted to an ICU, to 77.8% (28) among persons who died.

Also...Out of 1.2 million vaccinated people tracked in the study, 36 ended up getting sick with COVID and dying – a 0.003% fatality rate. And 75% of those 36 had 4 co-morbidities.
 
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