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CJCS responds to Rep. Gaetz

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
pilot
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Serious question:

if a policy disproportionately affects minorities whether by design or not. Is it racist?

I think it is. But if im wrong I’ll admit im wrong.

Yes, I think it can be racist, but that doesn't necessarily mean the people who designed it were racist or were trying to be racist. I don't think many people think that Bill Clinton, in his heart of hearts is a racist, but obviously, some of the laws he came up with, led the charge on, or otherwise signed into law had serious consequences for the black community in particular. But was his "tough on crime" stance, in his mind, supposed to be exclusively "tougher" on blacks? I don't think so.

On the other hand, as I've already stated, I think the present-day Republicans crafting laws to make it tougher for blacks and other minorities to vote know exactly what they are doing and are doing so specifically to limit how many of them turn out.
 

Treetop Flyer

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pilot
Yes, I think it can be racist, but that doesn't necessarily mean the people who designed it were racist or were trying to be racist. I don't think many people think that Bill Clinton, in his heart of hearts is a racist, but obviously, some of the laws he came up with, led the charge on, or otherwise signed into law had serious consequences for the black community in particular. But was his "tough on crime" stance, in his mind, supposed to be exclusively "tougher" on blacks? I don't think so.

On the other hand, as I've already stated, I think the present-day Republicans crafting laws to make it tougher for blacks and other minorities to vote know exactly what they are doing and are doing so specifically to limit how many of them turn out.


No one needs your outrage or protection. Minorities support voter I.D. more than whites.

It’s ludicrous and racist to imply that minorities don’t have ID to vote.
 

SELRES_AMDO

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The law changed 50 years ago. After 50 years isn’t instantly.
The past generation would still need to raise their kids. So the previous generation gets set back and that in turn sets their children back due to these laws that were in place.

Do you truly believe the previous generation's kids had equal opportunity? The laws changed and all of sudden people were more than willing to put their racist ideas aside and accommodate others because it is now law?
 

nodropinufaka

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Yes, I think it can be racist, but that doesn't necessarily mean the people who designed it were racist or were trying to be racist. I don't think many people think that Bill Clinton, in his heart of hearts is a racist, but obviously, some of the laws he came up with, led the charge on, or otherwise signed into law had serious consequences for the black community in particular. But was his "tough on crime" stance, in his mind, supposed to be exclusively "tougher" on blacks? I don't think so.

On the other hand, as I've already stated, I think the present-day Republicans crafting laws to make it tougher for blacks and other minorities to vote know exactly what they are doing and are doing so specifically to limit how many of them turn out.
I always thought Clinton was like strom Thurmond.

Can we just appreciate how Thurmond spent his time being An actual racist then it turned out he had a black child.
 

HAL Pilot

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The past generation would still need to raise their kids. So the previous generation gets set back and that in turn sets their children back due to these laws that were in place.

Do you truly believe the previous generation's kids had equal opportunity? The laws changed and all of sudden people were more than willing to put their racist ideas aside and accommodate others because it is now law?
I have stated that in the past there were definitely not equal opportunities. I’ve also stated while laws, regulations and policies have changed there is still (and probably always will be) individual racism. However instutionalized racism and discrimination are long gone.Anyone should be able to ignore the individual racist assholes if they have the desire to succeed.

50 years has been time enough for their children’s children’s children’s children to learn to ignore the assholes and be successful. It only takes the desire, fortitude and hard work.

Everything isn’t always racism either as it seems to be the latest theme for the lefties, woke and minority groups.
 

nodropinufaka

Well-Known Member
individual racism by individuals in power in institutions like the military, commercial sector, housing, and lending can turn into systemic racism and often does.
 

grodonfreeman

Bottom of the Totem Pole
Do you truly believe the previous generation's kids had equal opportunity?

No. Not when new grads can't get a job b/c H1B workers got them.
No. Not when poor teens can't get a job because they had to compete with a 30 y/o migrant -with a family back in Honduras.
No. Not when jobs get moved to China.
No. Not when public money meant for "shovel ready jobs" ends up in the pockets of political activists.
 

HAL Pilot

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Well not really.

The crack one we were just talking about ended in 2010 under Obama and further under Trump in 2019.
The law did not say whites got one sentence and blacks another. Whites and blacked were subject to the same penalties for same type of crack. Either could have chosen power or rocks. The laws and penalties were not racist or written with racist intent. The results might seem racist because one race favored one type of illegal drug over another. That was their choice, not the laws.

But that is irrelevant in my opinion because if someone chooses to commit a crime, they are obviously not trying to improve themselves or succeed. If they hadn’t done the crime, they wouldn’t have been given a jail sentence.
 
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