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0621 Hertz

Well-Known Member
I just had a nice chat with a young man who I had the pleasure to coach in high school lacrosse and is finishing up as a Marine in Kingsville - from the time he started API/IFS to his winging next week it will be almost 3 years to to the day and he just selected Capt - he related to me that this is normal timeframe for jet guys these days. His selection options were interesting to me - Harriers, Legacy Hornets, F-35B and F-35C. (he puts in his dream sheet Monday). Interesting times!

I think its gotten a little quicker by now. I started API a year ago last week and I should be finishing up in Kingsville in late 2021/early 2022. Assuming no delays in training I will definitely not pick up O-3 until the FRS.

I hope he gets Harriers if that's really what he wants. He will definitely be among the last of them. Word on the street says Harriers will select for about one more year.

The F-35C selectees have it pretty interesting right now, although its pretty rare. They "soft wing" once their done with the Marine syllabus (everything but the boat and its sims) , but don't actually graduate with the class.

They go to the boat with their soft patch and then graduate after CQ.
 
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Odominable

PILOT HMSD TRACK FAIL
pilot
Explain it to a slow mover: the -C selectees wing prior to CQ, then go to the boat anyway for a pattern that I was under the impression is quite different than what's flown in the -C, then learn a new one in the FRS?
 

SlickAg

Registered User
pilot
Explain it to a slow mover: the -C selectees wing prior to CQ, then go to the boat anyway for a pattern that I was under the impression is quite different than what's flown in the -C, then learn a new one in the FRS?
Marines stopped going to the boat to shorten their syllabus and thus time to train. Since the F-35C squadrons they’ll be going to are going to be attached to carrier air wings, they need to do undergraduate CQ. Finishing the “new” syllabus, then selecting, and going to the boat as a soft winger, was a compromise that was reached to avoid any issues should a student DQ at the boat.

The pattern is essentially the same as the F-35C, and they’re still flying the exact same pattern they’ve been taught since they started flying the T-45. It’s just the ball flying piece that is totally different in the F-35C. Still TBD on how all of that is going to shake out in terms of getting rid of CQ in the T-45, but the end is definitely on the horizon.
 
I think its gotten a little quicker by now. I started API a year ago last week and I should be finishing up in Kingsville in late 2021/early 2022. Assuming no delays in training I will definitely not pick up O-3 until the FRS.

I hope he gets Harriers if that's really what he wants. He will definitely be among the last of them. Word on the street says Harriers will select for about one more year.

The F-35C selectees have it pretty interesting right now, although its pretty rare. They "soft wing" once their done with the Marine syllabus (everything but the boat and its sims) , but don't actually graduate with the class.

They go to the boat with their soft patch and then graduate after CQ.
I can promise you right now the API/IFS pipeline is pretty backed up right now thanks to our friend COVID. Currently a 5 month wait to class up for NIFE and about a 4 month hold at both Corpus and Milton for primary. So right there is about a year of waiting.
 
On that note - @FaithbyFlight how was your timeline and what does the future hold for you.

The CO down at NASC was talking about how there is about 700 pilot selects that have to be sorted out before winging due to the navy front-loading most of the selects. Therefore, what is the NSS looking like right now for jets, still hugging around 55?
 

RandomGoat1248

Well-Known Member
I can promise you right now the API/IFS pipeline is pretty backed up right now thanks to our friend COVID. Currently a 5 month wait to class up for NIFE and about a 4 month hold at both Corpus and Milton for primary. So right there is about a year of waiting.

Shockingly (/s) that is actually less than it was ~2 years ago when I was going through API/Primary pools.
 

0621 Hertz

Well-Known Member
I can promise you right now the API/IFS pipeline is pretty backed up right now thanks to our friend COVID. Currently a 5 month wait to class up for NIFE and about a 4 month hold at both Corpus and Milton for primary. So right there is about a year of waiting.

5 months for NIFE isn't so bad because I waited 8 months for API, but 0 weeks for Primary, and 0 weeks for I-Jet.

Only delays in training were the 5 or so HUREVACS out of Whiting last year (most ever I presume) set us all back about a month.
 
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On that note - @FaithbyFlight how was your timeline and what does the future hold for you.

The CO down at NASC was talking about how there is about 700 pilot selects that have to be sorted out before winging due to the navy front-loading most of the selects. Therefore, what is the NSS looking like right now for jets, still hugging around 55?


My timeline is fine; I'm looking at a year in Kingsville before going to the FRS. I spent about 6 months in Corpus Primary, but that is about two months short from the average. I waited about 3 months to start ground school here in Kingsville. Got here in late October and started in February. Supposed to do either my strike or CQ det in October.

People that are checking in currently are getting classed up quicker. About a week to a months wait. Those leaving to go to the FRS do SERE and then have about a week to two months off before starting there depending on their platform.

Hopefully going to Oceana and flying the -18E. Thats the idea, but Ill fly anything they want at this point. -35, Growler, -18E/F.
 

Python

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
My timeline is fine; I'm looking at a year in Kingsville before going to the FRS. I spent about 6 months in Corpus Primary, but that is about two months short from the average. I waited about 3 months to start ground school here in Kingsville. Got here in late October and started in February. Supposed to do either my strike or CQ det in October.

People that are checking in currently are getting classed up quicker. About a week to a months wait. Those leaving to go to the FRS do SERE and then have about a week to two months off before starting there depending on their platform.

Hopefully going to Oceana and flying the -18E. Thats the idea, but Ill fly anything they want at this point. -35, Growler, -18E/F.

The lottery pick. Good luck.
 

Birdbrain

Well-Known Member
pilot
My timeline is fine; I'm looking at a year in Kingsville before going to the FRS. I spent about 6 months in Corpus Primary, but that is about two months short from the average. I waited about 3 months to start ground school here in Kingsville. Got here in late October and started in February. Supposed to do either my strike or CQ det in October.

People that are checking in currently are getting classed up quicker. About a week to a months wait. Those leaving to go to the FRS do SERE and then have about a week to two months off before starting there depending on their platform.

Hopefully going to Oceana and flying the -18E. Thats the idea, but Ill fly anything they want at this point. -35, Growler, -18E/F.
Maybe KRock is faster than here, but if you think training is only going to take a year I have a bridge to sell you.
 

Eulenspeigel

I-JET
pilot
I am a current cat 1 at 106. It took me about 15 months to wing, even with the engine issues out of Kingsville. Guys behind me are finishing in even less time. If things continue trending down a year does seem reasonable for guys showing up to Kingsville now
 
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