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exNavyOffRec
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I have several that went from being nukes to working in various power generation industries such as geothermal, wind, solar, nuclear, gas, etc..... the thing I hear the most is the that when subsidies start drying up for wind the cost will not be as good as it is now, one also had a chart of how many turbines working 24x7 it would take to power X amount of houses and then compared it to hydro, coal, nuke and it was not impressive for wind.
The disposal issues are another problem, if you are Europe you just send them to Africa and dump them there, of course there is also the issue of the huge concrete bases that only last X amount of years.
Tesla solar roof shingles are pretty money. I'm waiting for a hail storm to destroy my roof so I can replace them with Tesla's shingles and a battery in the garage.
tesla roof shingles look like a great application, and maybe someday most roofs will be providing power
but the huge wind farms and solar farms all over the landscape are the new strip mines - an ugly blight.
i read somewhere that the environmental impact of mass windfarm energy replacement of fossil energy for the first 100 years was actually a net INCREASE in temp.
but the huge wind farms and solar farms all over the landscape are the new strip mines - an ugly blight.
i read somewhere that the environmental impact of mass windfarm energy replacement of fossil energy for the first 100 years was actually a net INCREASE in temp.
I don't disagree that they look bad, but it's a pick your poison thing. Do you want a coal power plant dumping CO2 and Sulfur and all kinds of other fun stuff in your backyard from 50 miles away, or do you want wind turbines growing out of your cornfields?
If you think those are bad, take a look at the three directed solar arrays outside Vegas. They look like some bond villains death ray, and they're expensive, and they don't make any money and are grossly overbudget and behind schedule. So yea...a great success according to the government.
ABMD
Bullets don't fly without Supply
Standby, that is the old method of electric generation using coal. There is technology that scrubs the emissions (it's called a scrubber) and the emissions from a coal plant are pretty much water vapor. It isn't cheap, but it makes coal generation much more environmentally friendly. We installed one right when I started working for my employer, cost was just shy of $1Billion. I actually toured the facility post-construction and it is amazing technology and you can recycle the byproducts.
Here is a link to Duke Energy's website where they discuss SO2 scrubbing.
They fry flying birds too.
I say let 'em fry. They knew what they were getting into when they started flapping their wings.
ABMD
Bullets don't fly without Supply
If and when the PTC (Production Tax Credits) end you will see financing for these projects dry-up. The reason any of these projects were financed over the last 10-15 years was that the large banks were incentivized via the PTC and using them to offset their tax liabilities. That is the only way it makes sense for a bank to fund a wind or solar project. They know, as a standalone project, they don't makes sense. The cashflow just isn't there. It was always discussed that these credits would expire, but looks like Congress added it to the latest spending bill.
Thanks for the link. I knew there were 'clean coal' plants but hadn't really read much about them.
Being a child of Appalachia, I am conflicted about king coal. Mountaintop removal, cleaning up the water, and taking care of the health issues involved with getting it out of the ground tend to outweigh any move to clean up the actual burning of the coal, though. On the other hand, it was one of the only industries' that ever gave a person in those regions a shot at even lower middle class existence. It sometimes just cost you your lungs to do it.
I also lived next to an old coal plant for 4 years in college. No idea how my school got away with burning that shit next to dormitories, but they did. If you left your windows open, you had a nice layer of black dust in a couple hours.
All those drivable vacation destinations are seriously going to feel the economic hit - you can't get there literally, in an electric vehicle....
Taking your kids for a long summer drive vacation to see the National Park System - how will you be able to do that?
Electric cars have already come a long way. I don’t think it will be a problem, especially fifteen years from now.
I had the idea (feel free to run with it) of renting trailers for Teslas. The trailer would store some stuff, but more importantly would have enough energy to go super long distances. They'd be crammed full of batteries or fuel cells or whatever. Show up at your dropoff point near the final destination with a full charge on your vehicle. Electric drop tanks.