War in Israel

[Griz882]

When I posted my response, I thought something like this might happen. FFS. I sort of asked for it, with my comment on nuance vs. sound-bites, didn't I?

@kaldor2c7 , thank you for the long, sterile, policy opinion piece that is effectively conveying nothing new.

My point stands- kinetic force and threat thereof is and will continue to be strategically relevant on the battlefield, and as a deterrent to would-be aggressors.

Thanks for posting this…I’m tired of being mean today.

 

[Brett327]

How does this end? I'm not nearly well read up on the complexities of the region, but I feel like the Israeli response, while justified, is going to be disproportional and only lead to more Hamas support. I guess CDE is impossible with an enemy like this.

Human carnage, dead hostages, far more innocent Israeli and Palestinian civilians impacted than actual combatants, return to pre-hostilities level of tension, lather, rinse, repeat.

It’s a complicated dynamic, clearly, but nothing will change fundamentally until Israel resolves the state of apartheid they have created. People who live with a perpetual boot on their necks are prone to violence.

 

[robav8r]

My guess is the CSG will be used to help guard the doors against attacks from other vectors (e.g. Lebanon, Syria). while the Israelis take care of the more kinetic aspects of the fight they’ve found themselves in.

A lot depends on tanker support in AO. At a guess, I’d say the CSG might do coastal patrols, possibly some overland stuff, and non-kinetic support (e.g. C2, intel gathering, maybe jamming if they’re allowed to get close enough to the fight) but I would bet not much in the way of direct strikes for the airwing. Maybe some logistics support for the rear echelon from the rotary guys.

We’ll see though- I could be way off base.

I'm sure the P-8 squadron in Sig is salivating over the promise of COORDOPS qual refresh and some real time MISR along the coast. Great stuff ?

 

[zippy]

I'm sure the P-8 squadron in Sig is salivating over the promise of COORDOPS qual refresh and some real time MISR along the coast. Great stuff ?

And the hope of not getting thumped by the IAF…

 

[IRfly]

I don't have ANY privileged insight into the subject, but I have to wonder if sending the whole CSG was done, at least in part, to protect any US assets in the region. You know, to help prevent "accidents"

The USS Liberty was out there by her lonesome once upon a time...

 

[Average Monke]

I don't have ANY privileged insight into the subject, but I have to wonder if sending the whole CSG was done, at least in part, to protect any US assets in the region. You know, to help prevent "accidents"

The USS Liberty was out there by her lonesome once upon a time...

Well, you could call Israel a US asset... but, no I can't imagine we are worried about another USS Liberty type incident. Unlike during the Six Day War, we are not neutral and Israel is (presumably) supportive of our presence.

*Put on tin foil hat*

In response to American hostages being taken by Hamas, the CSG is actually deploying to the Eastern Med as guise to move it's escorting SSN closer to Gaza in order to deploy a SEAL team via SDV. Following a successful hostage rescue operation, many books will be written and Navy recruiting numbers will sky rocket.

 

[ChuckMK23]

The speech and statement by POTUS this afternoon was compelling. I just got off the phone with the office of Sen McConnell and Rep Thomas Massie (they both have offices local here) - and voiced my support for *direct* combat involvement of US forces against those who were responsible for the carnage - that it would be a worthy and virtuous use of our treasure and those in service.

I hope there are Star of David patches in ready rooms available for our crews crews to wear beneath their US Flags.

 

[Brett327]

The speech and statement by POTUS this afternoon was compelling. I just got off the phone with the office of Sen McConnell and Rep Thomas Massie (they both have offices local here) - and voiced my support for *direct* combat involvement of US forces against those who were responsible for the carnage - that it would be a worthy and virtuous use of our treasure and those in service.

I hope there are Star of David patches in ready rooms available for our crews crews to wear beneath their US Flags.

Fortunately, that isn’t up to the Senate, at least not in the short term.

 

[Average Monke]

I just got off the phone with the office of Sen McConnell and Rep Thomas Massie (they both have offices local here) - and voiced my support for *direct* combat involvement of US forces against those who were responsible for the carnage - that it would be a worthy and virtuous use of our treasure and those in service.

Genuine question, are you not concerned for the greater implications of direct US involvement in this conflict (excluding hostage rescue)? The IDF are more than capable of crushing HAMAS themselves. From my, albeit very limited, perspective there does not seem to be a clear upside of going kinetic. Our participation may insight other parties to get involved or evoke reprisal attacks on Americans. Furthermore, we lose footing at brokering peace in the future, not that it's going to happen anytime soon, but the bloodshed will have to stop eventually.

I, like yourself, want retribution, but I don't think the benefits outweigh the costs at this moment (though that could easily change).

 

[MGoBrew11]

The speech and statement by POTUS this afternoon was compelling. I just got off the phone with the office of Sen McConnell and Rep Thomas Massie (they both have offices local here) - and voiced my support for *direct* combat involvement of US forces against those who were responsible for the carnage - that it would be a worthy and virtuous use of our treasure and those in service.

I hope there are Star of David patches in ready rooms available for our crews crews to wear beneath their US Flags.

Please stop.

I believe you expressed similar sentiments about how we should be gung ho in going into Ukraine.

What Hamas did was evil. Full stop. However, I have no interest in going over there to fight and die. This is a conflict that has been going on for a long time and the Israelis are big boys. They will handle it.

 

[robav8r]

Genuine question, are you not concerned for the greater implications of direct US involvement in this conflict (excluding hostage rescue)? The IDF are more than capable of crushing HAMAS themselves. From my, albeit very limited, perspective there does not seem to be a clear upside of going kinetic. Our participation may insight other parties to get involved or evoke reprisal attacks on Americans. Furthermore, we lose footing at brokering peace in the future, not that it's going to happen anytime soon, but the bloodshed will have to stop eventually.

I, like yourself, want retribution, but I don't think the benefits outweigh the costs at this moment (though that could easily change).

SOCOM assets have long trained and deployed with IDF forces. If we're talking about a hostage rescue scenario for U.S. citizens, I doubt we would get any specifics wrt unit composition and operation execution.

 

[JTS11]

Please stop.

I believe you expressed similar sentiments about how we should be gung ho in going into Ukraine.

What Hamas did was evil. Full stop. However, I have no interest in going over there to fight and die. This is a conflict that has been going on for a long time and the Israelis are big boys. They will handle it.

I thought he was bored by the UKR counteroffensive (maybe it was someone else...). Like you said, they are big boys and can handle it, but I think it's wise on our part to deter any ratfuckery by any other actors in the region.

 

[MGoBrew11]

I thought he was bored by the UKR counteroffensive (maybe it was someone else...). Like you said, they are big boys and can handle it, but I think it's wise on our part to deter any ratfuckery by any other actors in the region.

Of course. I’ve got no problem with sending the CSG to the region or supporting in other ways.

The knee jerk “boots on ground” response just gets me every time.

 

[Mos]

This thread is venturing into cringe territory.

 

[MGoBrew11]

This thread is venturing into cringe territory.

What AW thread doesn’t!?