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TSA or T&A ???

eas7888

Looking forward to some P-8 action
pilot
Contributor
Just out of curiosity, does this mean you throw away any underwear that get skid marks instead of just washing them??????? :confused:

Along those lines. . .if I threw out every piece of clothing that my daughter (6 months old) crapped on, she wouldn't be left with much clothing.
 

C420sailor

Former Rhino Bro
pilot
Just out of curiosity, does this mean you throw away any underwear that get skid marks instead of just washing them??????? :confused:

Touche.

I sharted in the ready room the other day, much to the chagrin of my squadron mates. OxiClean to the rescue.
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
I sharted in the ready room the other day, much to the chagrin of my squadron mates. OxiClean to the rescue.

Look on the bright side- guys hardly ever remember stuff like that. Hardly ever. They probably won't even bring it up again...
 

dilbert123

Active Member
pilot
A buddy sent this to me. The awesomeness of bureaucracy, aren't we all proud?

Amazing TSA....

As the Leader for my flight home from Afghanistan , I witnessed the following:
When we were on our way back from Afghanistan , we flew out of Baghram Air Field. We went through customs at BAF, full body scanners (no groping), had all of our bags searched, the whole nine yards. Our first stop was Shannon , Ireland to refuel. After that, we had to stop at Indianapolis , Indiana to drop off about 100 folks from the Indiana National Guard. That's where the stupid started.
First, everyone was forced to get off the plane, even though the plane wasn't refueling again. All 330 people got off that plane, rather than let the 100 people from the ING get off. We were filed from the plane to a holding area. No vending machines, no means of escape. Only a male/female latrine.
It's probably important to mention that we were ALL carrying weapons.
Everyone was carrying an M4 Carbine (rifle) and some, like me, were also carrying an M9 pistol. Oh, and our gunners had M-240B machine guns. Of course, the weapons weren't loaded. And we had been cleared of all ammo well before we even got to customs at Baghram, then AGAIN at customs.
The TSA personnel at the airport seriously considered making us unload all of the baggage from the SECURE cargo hold to have it reinspected.
Keep in mind, this cargo had been unpacked, inspected piece by piece by U.S. Customs officials, resealed and had bomb-sniffing dogs give it a one-hour run through. After two hours of sitting in this holding area, the TSA decided not to reinspect our Cargo, just to inspect us again: Soldiers on the way home from war, who had already been inspected, reinspected and kept in a SECURE holding area for2 hours. Ok, whatever.
So we lined up to go through security AGAIN.
This is probably another good time to remind you all that all of us were carrying actual assault rifles and some of us were also carrying pistols.
So we're in line, going through one at a time. One of our Soldiers had his Gerber multi-tool. TSA confiscated it. Kind of ridiculous, but it gets better. A few minutes later, a guy empties his pockets and has a pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers! TSA informs the Soldier that they're going to confiscate his nail clippers. The conversation went something like this:
TSA Guy: You can't take those on the plane.
Soldier: What? I've had them since we left the country.
TSA Guy: You're not supposed to have them.
Soldier: Why?
TSA Guy: They can be used as a weapon.
Soldier: [touches butt stock of the rifle] But this actually is a weapon. And I'm allowed to take it on.
TSA Guy: Yeah but you can't use it to take over the plane. You don't have bullets.
Soldier: And I can take over the plane with nail clippers?
TSA Guy: [awkward silence]
Me: Dude, just give him your damn nail clippers so we can get the f**k out of here. I'll buy you a new set.
Soldier: [hands nail clippers to TSA guy, makes it through security]
To top it off, the TSA demanded we all be swabbed for "explosive residue" detection. Everyone failed, [go figure, we just came home from a war zone], because we tested positive for "Gun Powder Residue". Who the F**K is hiring these people?
This might be a good time to remind everyone that approximately 233 people re-boarded that plane with assault rifles, pistols, and machine guns, but nothing that could have been used as a weapon.
Can someone please tell me What the F**K happened to OUR country while we were gone?
Sgt. 'Mad Dog' Tracy
 

lowflier03

So no $hit there I was
pilot
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/12/01/the-tsa-lies-in-response-to-redstate/

or how about

http://gizmodo.com/5703878/the-most-stupid-tsa-action-to-date-defies-belief

I dont care if you wanna bash the first blog for being "politically motivated" or whatever. The same can be said of an official TSA blog.

And for an update, the TSA has lied about their resolution with the Woman detained with her breastmilk. She had a similar incident a second time flying and it looks like a lawsuit is now in the works.
 

HH-60H

Manager
pilot
Contributor
Funny, b/c I too had a set of nail clippers taken.

If you notice, the TSA blog says that nail clippers were never on their list of prohibited items, but accepts the fact that they were prohibited prior to the existence of TSA. I imagine you can also accept the idea that there can be difference between a published policy and actual execution of that policy.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/12/01/the-tsa-lies-in-response-to-redstate/

or how about

http://gizmodo.com/5703878/the-most-stupid-tsa-action-to-date-defies-belief

I dont care if you wanna bash the first blog for being "politically motivated" or whatever. The same can be said of an official TSA blog.

And for an update, the TSA has lied about their resolution with the Woman detained with her breastmilk. She had a similar incident a second time flying and it looks like a lawsuit is now in the works.

Regardless of what view you think is correct, I just hope that members of this forum exercise of bit of critical thinking before posting unattributed anecdotes for or against either side of the issue.
 

phrogpilot73

Well-Known Member
I imagine you can also accept the idea that there can be difference between a published policy and actual execution of that policy.
But in this very thread, we're supposed to ASSUME that a TSA agent won't get overzealous in the pat downs because of what the policy is...
 

HH-60H

Manager
pilot
Contributor
But in this very thread, we're supposed to ASSUME that a TSA agent won't get overzealous in the pat downs because of what the policy is...

I'm not sure I follow you.

Admittedly, I haven't been following this thread very closely, but when I saw 'Mad Dog's' anecdote, which has the classic urban myth signs (essentially anonymous, forwarded email, a bit over the top, a classic victim, etc etc) I did my usual Snopes search followed by a Google search. Now no doubt many of the well documented stories in this thread are over the top, but I am far more likely to believe them than an anonymous chain email.
 

eas7888

Looking forward to some P-8 action
pilot
Contributor
Adding to this: As an Army Reservist, I've mobilized out of Camp Atterbury, IN. In doing that, we drove the 45 minutes from Camp Atterbury to the Indianapolis airport where we flew to Kuwait (after a stop over in Ireland). When we boarded our aircraft, we did board at a remote terminal, one that is typically used for private charters of large aircraft. The terminal is complete with metal detectors and a waiting/pre-boarding lounge with spartan amenities. When we arrived, we did pass through the metal detectors (that were turned off). We were instructed that we were not to fly with any of the contraband items, such as knives and explosives. We were, however, carrying our rifles.

I've never had a problem going through a TSA checkpoint in uniform. Never. I've never even had to remove my boots or belt. That being said, things may have changed in the time since I mobilized and flew through Atterbury, but seeing how nobody wants to attach their name to the story, I'd probably call BS.
 

insanebikerboy

Internet killed the television star
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None
Contributor
If you notice, the TSA blog says that nail clippers were never on their list of prohibited items, but accepts the fact that they were prohibited prior to the existence of TSA. I imagine you can also accept the idea that there can be difference between a published policy and actual execution of that policy.

Well, that was the ironic thing to me. Nail clippers are supposed to be allowed but I got held up for about 15-20 minutes in 2006 because of them. Once the security saw those, they did a "thorough" search of my bag, I just thank god they didn't do the enhanced patdowns then!

It's just frustrating, especially looking back, because they are not prohibited but the agent wouldn't let me through with them.
 
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