Has anyone ever tried to come up with a way for assessing the necessity and/or long-term historical effectiveness of deterrence we achieve by retaining CVN-size assets in the large numbers we do across all of the services?
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Stupid questions about Naval Aviation (Pt 2)
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Has anyone ever tried to come up with a way for assessing the necessity and/or long-term historical effectiveness of deterrence we achieve by retaining CVN-size assets in the large numbers we do across all of the services?
Probably every time Congress talks about fewer carriers. It's impossible to tell, really, because you're trying to both quantify the psychology of decision-making and prove why something didn't happen (i.e., tinpot dictators decided not to invade US-friendly neighbors because there was a CVBG off his coast X% of the time). It's pretty much impossible to prove deterrance - conventional, nuclear, anti-terror - works; we just know that it does.
phrogpilot73
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It might be differences between TACAIR and rotary wing. We routinely take troops up for incentive flights, but we've got 15-ish seats in the back, plus a mighty big raft if something goes bad. We only need the HAC's permission for that one. The only requirement for dunkers is if you're crew, not passengers.
As for civilians, I know it goes pretty high up the chain - it's either MARFORCOM/PAC/RES or HQMC that authorizes those... I just don't remember who...
OK, so it's not like the CO can just say, Wives, have at it," as one of the posts intimated.
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phrogpilot73
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No, not at all - and I apologize if I made it seem that way. It usually starts with the CO wanting to do it for a Jane Wayne day, and then a lot of leg work from the worker bees in the squadron to make it happen.
Some 0311 priors that are with me at TBS were saying that they had to do the dunker after that unfortunate incident where the Phrog went ass over tea kettle when it got a wheel stuck in the net on the back of a boat. Do they still do require this?
phrogpilot73
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Nope. It's a nice to have, not a need to have. We got most of the heliborne company through the SWET, but nobody else in the battalion, and nothing more.
phrogpilot73
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I'll clarify that my info was East Coast grunts, and in '05... Only the heliborne company, and only the SWET.
Maybe it has to do with location/availability of the dunker? Our closest dunker was Cherry Point, and it's booked WAY in advance. There's a SWET on Lejeune...
CVN CO and CAG are two different tracks.
Air Boss is a post-squadron CO tour and he probably is not in either track toward CAG or CVN CO - i.e. he didn't make the cut.
I call BS, unless she is a reporter or some kind of celebrity I doubt that she got to go up. They do incentive flights for reporters and celebrities but in my time I have not known any spouses or other civilian family members that got to go up in a Tacair jet.
I know the USAF used to do incentive flights on their big cargo birds with families and other groups like Boy Scouts. A friend of mine married an aviation electrician who worked on C-17's and they had one every year in his unit, the big deal there was they flew around with the rear door down at 'low' level, about 5000 ft or so. This was before 9/11 so I am not sure if they still do it.
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