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Roger Ball, good and not-so-good questions about the world of "Paddles"

MIDNJAC

is clara ship
pilot
Not really "ball flying"/"Paddles" related, but did the TA-4 normally fly double bubble, or was that just an as-needed type of thing? How much internal fuel did they have?
 

BusyBee604

St. Francis/Hugh Hefner Combo!
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
Not really "ball flying"/"Paddles" related, but did the TA-4 normally fly double bubble, or was that just an as-needed type of thing? How much internal fuel did they have?

If "double bubble" means 2-300 gal. drops, the answer is yes, just like the single seater.

The TA-4 internal fuel capacity is 4,400#, (3,200# wing tank; 1,200# fuselage tank). Adding the extra seat cost 1,000#, but was well worth it as a trainer. :icon_mi_1

The TA-4 did see some combat in Vietnam. It was late in the war when laser-guided bombs were being introduced. The "T" carried a laser designator crewman in the backseat. I recall it was mainly a USMC operation??
BzB
 

Alpha_Echo_606

Does not play well with others!™
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Arrestedlanding.jpg

A U.S. Navy F/A-18E Super Hornet aircraft assigned to Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 147 prepares to make an arrested landing during flight operations on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) in the Pacific Ocean Feb. 11, 2011. The Ronald Reagan Strike Group was under way training for a deployment to the western Pacific Ocean and U.S. Central Command areas of operation. (DoD photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Kyle Carlstrom, U.S. Navy/Released)
 

MIDNJAC

is clara ship
pilot
If "double bubble" means 2-300 gal. drops, the answer is yes, just like the single seater.

The TA-4 internal fuel capacity is 4,400#, (3,200# wing tank; 1,200# fuselage tank). Adding the extra seat cost 1,000#, but was well worth it as a trainer. :icon_mi_1

The TA-4 did see some combat in Vietnam. It was late in the war when laser-guided bombs were being introduced. The "T" carried a laser designator crewman in the backseat. I recall it was mainly a USMC operation??
BzB

Sorry, now I'm confusing VT terminology with the fleet, but yeah I meant 2 drops. Thanks for the info! That must have been a LOT of tanking w/ only 4.4k, unless that motor just sipped on gas
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
Sorry, now I'm confusing VT terminology with the fleet, but yeah I meant 2 drops. Thanks for the info!
Two 300 gallon drops was normal for just about everything -- EXCEPT ACM.

The best load-out when flyin' ADVERSARY with the op-area relatively close by (like the situation @ DALLAS, TYNDALL, HOLMSTEAD, LUKE, WILLIE, YUMA, NELLIS, and sometimes NKX ... there must be more, but I can't remember) was slick wing -- we even removed the pylons -- and installed a 150 gallon centerline. You could also wire the aero-slats UP to get a slight advantage, but it was officially frowned on ... if you ever crashed & burned w/ the leading edge slats wired shut, it would become an issue in the post-mortem ....
 

Alpha_Echo_606

Does not play well with others!™
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Two 300 gallon drops was normal for just about everything -- EXCEPT ACM.

The best load-out when flyin' ADVERSARY with the op-area relatively close by (like the situation @ DALLAS, TYNDALL, HOLMSTEAD, LUKE, WILLIE, YUMA, NELLIS, and sometimes NKX ... there must be more, but I can't remember) was slick wing -- we even removed the pylons -- and installed a 150 gallon centerline. You could also wire the aero-slats UP to get a slight advantage, but it was officially frowned on ... if you ever crashed & burned w/ the leading edge slats wired shut, it would become an issue in the post-mortem ....
That would only be a factor for survivor benefits. :icon_wink He's dead Jim, he's dead!
 

blackbart22

Well-Known Member
pilot
Understand that wiring the slats shut was the first thing the Israelis did when they got the Top Gun A-4s back in the 70s.
 

Recovering LSO

Suck Less
pilot
Contributor
[video]https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1918385126519&oid=161036483956565&comments[/video]

some good work here. I was a brand new guy in my first squadron sitting (dressed, briefed, a-sheet signed) in the ready room trying to figure out if they were really going to send up the new kid... I think i may have even thrown up a little bit :)
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
[video]https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1918385126519&oid=161036483956565&comments[/video]

some good work here....
"Nice work, Paddles ... " at @ 0:40.

It means everything 'worked' in a difficult situation.

And it's also the sweetest thing you will ever hear while on the PLATFORM, bar none.
:)
 

ea6bflyr

Working Class Bum
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
@ about 4:00, there's a lot of double paddles work going on. Talk about a crappy Case III recovery.

Who wants to explain all the numbers on the PLAT for the newbies? Here's my shot at it.
plat1.jpg


1. Date & Time
2. (C)lear Deck / (F)oul Deck / (W)aveoff
3. Wind over the deck (in kts)
4. Ship Number: CV/CVN-XX
5. ??
6. Distance (Measured in YDS?)
7. Vertical Speed/VSI?

-ea6bflyr ;)
 

HighDimension

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
I could be wrong but...

5- Supposed to be the aircraft's speed
6- Distance in feet
7- VSI in feet per second

129Paddles would know for sure though.
 

Recovering LSO

Suck Less
pilot
Contributor
I could be wrong but...

5- Supposed to be the aircraft's speed
6- Distance in feet
7- VSI in feet per second

129Paddles would know for sure though.

So to get the VSI of the aircraft you have to multiply the number by 60.

Do realize though that these numbers (the ones across the bottom) will only be present if the aircraft is "locked up" by the SPN-46 ACLS system, so you typically won't see it during day Case I ops. What made this day so much sweeter was that the SPN-46 was having problems locking guys up. Why? The system is known to not work well during heavy rain. You'll even hear one guy get told that he's going to get a surveillance approach (ASR) - he's told to fly the final bearing and that there will be no glideslope information available. Sweet. Hopefully he had bullseye.
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
CV TACAN. I got bitched at for a full high start. (the E-2 DME indicator is kind of hard to read at night. It's analog spinning wheels. No shit Not an "odometer" looking display like every other analog cockpit I've flown) I'd prefer that to the CV ADF if it still exists.

I'm not sure if I would have trusted IKE Approach with an ASR that night. It was CAVU, just 0% Illum, and they could not make jack shit work. ACLS was down, CCA was fucked, and of course, the one working thing, the AACS (Bullseye) was TU in my plane.
 

Alpha_Echo_606

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Leon.jpg

01/21/2012
FLIGHT OPERATIONS
Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta and Navy Rear Adm. Walter E. Carter Jr., commander of Carrier Strike Group 12, watch flight operations aboard the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise in the Atlantic Ocean, Jan. 21, 2012. The Enterprise Carrier Strike Group is conducting a composite training unit exercise. U.S. Navy photo by Petty Officer 3rd Class Scott Pittman
 
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