Proof That Gun Control and Gun Bans Work

[Fly Navy]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-bloody27.html

For the uninformed, Illinois gun laws:

- Permit required to purchase handguns and longguns.
- Owners licensed for handguns and longguns.
- Permit required to carry a concealed firearm (it's actually prohibited... go figure).
- 72 hour waiting period for handguns, 24 hours for longguns.
- [highlight]Handguns are banned from Chicago if they weren't registered prior to 1982.[/highlight]
- "Assault firearms" are banned.

http://www.nra-ila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=IL

[highlight]Nearly 24 people shot in less than 12 hours[/highlight]

June 27, 2005

BY ANNIE SWEENEY Crime Reporter


Shots rang out across the city Saturday night and Sunday morning -- from the Far North Side to the Far South Side -- with preliminary reports of nearly two dozen people shot.

The overnight tally -- which is unofficial -- included two shootings on the same corner, a fatal shooting near the Taste of Chicago and several on the West Side, where detectives were swamped.

"We're just spinning up here,'' one detective said.

Numerous incidents of gunfire and related injuries were reported overnight Saturday. Among them:

*At 9:45 p.m. Saturday, 20-year-old Christopher Sanders of Chicago was fatally shot during a fight one block from the Taste of Chicago.

*At 6:06 a.m. Sunday near Damen and 38th, a man was shot in the shoulder, police said.

In between:

*A man was shot in the head at 11:52 p.m. at 4129 W. Van Buren.

*A 38-year-old man was shot and killed at 3:15 a.m. in the street in the 1400 block of West Carmen.

*And a man was left in critical condition after a drive-by shooting at 5:30 a.m. at 12434 S. Wentworth, police said.

There were two shootings at the corner of 52nd and Mozart.

*The first came at 9:47 p.m. when a man was shot in the foot.

*Hours later, at 1:38 a.m., two men sitting on a porch at the corner were shot by someone who pulled up in a dark Ford Escort wagon, police said.

Fest shooting under review

Several other incidents involved multiple victims, and there were reports of more than 20 people wounded, police said.

First Deputy Chicago Police Supt. Dana Starks was on patrol near the Taste of Chicago late Sunday. Starks would be reviewing that fatal shooting and other incidents.

 

[A4sForever]

Good points, Fly : The mean streets of Chicago (or Miami, Atlanta, LA, Detroit, etc, etc .... more dangerous than Baghdad ???

Chicago and Illinois: yet another demonstration of the need for state preemption laws ....

 

[Flash]

And sometimes gun control actually does seem to work....

http://www.canadianembassy.org/government/guncontrol-en.asp

In 1998, Canada had 555 homicides, a rate of 1.83 per 100,000. Guns were involved in 151 of the homicides, 27% of the total, the lowest proportion since statistics were first collected in 1961. Robberies using firearms accounted for 18% of all such crimes in 1998, down from 25% in 1988 and 37% in 1978.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

From June 2003 to June 2004, recorded gun crime in the UK rose by 3% to 10,590 incidents. There was also a 14% rise in violent crime in the April-June period (265,800 incidents compared to 223,600 the previous year). Advocates on both sides of the gun control debate have argued how this is correctly interpreted with no consensus.

Yet, Britain remains one of the countries with the lowest homicide rate in the world accounting for 853 homicides in the reporting period 2003/04 according to the UK Home Office for Crime Statistics [3]. At a population of more than 59 million that translates into 1.4 homicides per 100,000 residents.

By comparison, the FBI Uniform Crime Report shows for the reporting period of 2003 a homicide rate in the United States of 16,503 homicides or 5.7 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants [4], with 21.6 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants for African Americans, being the sixth highest cause of death according to the CDC [5].

This puts the statistical likelihood of dying from homicide in the USA at 307% higher than in Britain.

.....and Counterpoint......

 

[A4sForever]

And sometimes gun control actually does seem to work....and Counterpoint......

Later, City Boy .... I gotta go pick up my new H&K that came in yesterday ... (AW smiles policy in effect )

 

[petescheu]

Isn't there some statistic out there that most crimes that are commited with a gun involve illegal guns anyways...?

 

[feddoc]

.....and Counterpoint......

You thinking about moving??? :icon_smil

 

[gregsivers]

Isn't there some statistic out there that most crimes that are commited with a gun involve illegal guns anyways...?

More than likely, and since the criminal is already breaking a/many law(s), why would the fact that guns are illegal keep him from using one? He's already shown disregard for law, so why would one more stop him? The common sense on this issue is so blatantly obvious. Let me have my guns.

 

[titoj]

This seems like as good a time as any to ask, seeing as we're in the war zone and all.. and bear in mind, I'm a sucker for civil discussion. I'm genuinely curious as to why an individual citizen would need to own an assault weapon. There seem to be plenty of proponents here - so persuade me.

 

[feddoc]

There is no need. Only a desire.

I don't need to persuade you of anything. Not trying to be confrontational, but, as long as it is legal I will continue to collect my class III weapons and 'assault weapons' as I see fit.

It is legal and it is my right, so what does it matter that I want to collect guns? or red Corvettes? or tube type amplifiers?

 

[gregsivers]

Why does an individual citizen need to own an airplane? or a fishing boat? No particular reason, but like feddoc said a desire. How many citizens who legally own guns go out and commit crime? Not many I'd venture. Quit worrying about the people who own guns responsibly and shoot them, its the criminals with illegal guns that are the problem.

 

[Goober]

Talk to the folks down in Australia - just a small survey of crimes committed (official Australian statistics):

1996: Homicide - 350, Assault - 114,156, sexual assault 14,542, robbery - 16,372
2003: Homicide - 341, Assault - 158,629, sexual assault 18,237, robbery - 19,719

They essentially gave up their guns under new, stringent gun laws in 1997. It would appear that fewer criminals are fearful as they were before. But hey - that's okay as long as there are fewer guns in citizens' hands, right?

 

[VetteMuscle427]

This seems like as good a time as any to ask, seeing as we're in the war zone and all.. and bear in mind, I'm a sucker for civil discussion. I'm genuinely curious as to why an individual citizen would need to own an assault weapon. There seem to be plenty of proponents here - so persuade me.

Why does someone need to own a car? Public transportation goes almost everywhere. How many people died per 100,000 in vehicle accidents? Teddy Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns.

 

[Ryoukai]

^ A car has more than one use, try getting to work on your assault rifle. I'm not supporting gun control, bans and things of that nature...but I mean, come on, you can't seriously be comparing something which can be lethal to something which is designed to be lethal. An assault rifle would be cool to have, I'm not gonna lie, but surely you have to understand that it's much more optional than an automobile.

Edit: Also, in Hawaii, public transportation doesn't go everywhere. In fact, very often Da Bus goes nowhere you want it to.

 

[titoj]

Could one not make the argument that if assault weapons were made for and shipped to only the armed forces, there would be a smaller likelihood of them ending up on the streets? It's tough to get your hands on the supply when they're locked up in an armory..

 

[A4sForever]

This seems like as good a time as any to ask, seeing as we're in the war zone and all.. and bear in mind, I'm a sucker for civil discussion. I'm genuinely curious as to why an individual citizen would need to own an assault weapon ....- so persuade me.

You're a "sucker" ??? Well then, I'm not even going to try to persuade you --- that's the beauty of the way this country is suppose to function --- it's your choice. I choose to own/shoot/pack/collect/train/protect/train others --- you choose not. La-la-la-la-life goes on ......

When your house is being broken into, give me a call and I'll come help you with my semi-auto firearm (not "assault weapon" --- get away from the big city media mindset and do a little research on your own). And here I just gave you + "rep" points on another thread ... *sniff* ... because I "chose" to ..... (AW smile lamp is still lit ... )