Dave Shutter
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BTW Jeff, what did the detailers tell you?
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Edited by - Dave Shutter on 07/18/2001 14:04:13
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Edited by - Dave Shutter on 07/18/2001 14:04:13
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gunnerdd972
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Dave, did you take the test today? I hope they did not screw with you again!
GM2(SW) Hosehead
GM2(SW) Hosehead
Dave Shutter
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Test went great today. App is back in the mail! BI and OAR scores went way up! My recruiter was actually pleased with me. I hear your app. is out in the mail also hosehead...
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gunnerdd972
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My app, is almost out have only a few more things left to do. I hope that by the middle of next week that it will be sent off. I have no doubt that you will be picked up. I think I will make it as well. I only wish that we could go to OCS at the same time. I have a year left to go Kansas State.
GM2(SW) Hosehead
GM2(SW) Hosehead
Dave Shutter
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Of course i'll get selected now!!! I'm the best man in my brothers wedding Oct. 20 and then there's the issue of my sons first thanksgiving, X-mas, new year etc...
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Just figured you guys might want to read this if you haven't already.
--Steve
ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
ROUTINE
R 022053Z MAY 01 ZYB MIN PSN 616966J34
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N131//
TO NAVADMIN
UNCLAS
NAVADMIN 101/01
MSGID/GENADMIN/N1//
SUBJ/FY-01 NAVAL FLIGHT OFFICER (NFO) TO PILOT PROGRAM//
REF/A/DOC/MILPERSMAN 1542-010/-//
AMPN/REF A IS MILPERSMAN ARTICLE GOVERNING SELECTION FOR NAVAL
AVIATION TRAINING//
RMKS/1. IN RESPONSE TO OVERWHELMING FLEET INTEREST, THIS NAVADMIN
ANNOUNCES THE REINSTATEMENT OF THE NFO TO PILOT TRANSITION PROGRAM.
THIS PROGRAM IS OPEN TO ALL NFO'S REGARDLESS OF COMMUNITY AND WILL
SELECT BETWEEN 12-36 CANDIDATES ANNUALLY. THE SELECTION PROCESS
WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT YEAR GROUP AND COMMUNITY INVENTORIES FOR BOTH
PILOTS AND NFO'S IN ORDER TO ENSURE SUFFICIENT INVENTORIES ARE
AVAILABLE TO MEET COMMUNITY REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, THE PRIMARY
GOAL WILL BE TO SELECT THE MOST HIGHLY QUALIFIED APPLICANTS.
2. THE NFO TO PILOT SELECTION BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED ANNUALLY WITH
THE FIRST BOARD SCHEDULED FOR 07 AUGUST 01.
3. APPLICANTS MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WILL COMPETE FOR PIPELINE
SELECTION BASED SOLELY UPON PERFORMANCE IN TRAINING AND NEEDS OF THE
NAVY. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO GOAL OR GUARANTEE THAT TRANSITIONED
AVIATORS WILL RETURN TO THEIR ORIGINAL COMMUNITY.
4. ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA:
A. HAVE LESS THAN 5 1/2 YEARS OF COMMISSIONED SERVICE WHEN BOARD
CONVENES.
B. HAVE NOT PASSED 31ST BIRTHDAY WHEN BOARD CONVENES.
C. HAVE SERVED AT LEAST 18 MONTHS IN FIRST FLEET SQUADRON WHEN
BOARD CONVENES.
D. MEET PILOT AVIATION SELECTION TEST BATTERY (ASTB) STANDARDS
(MINIMUM AQR-3/PFAR-4/PBI-4).
E. MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISENROLLED FROM ANY MILITARY
FLIGHT TRAINING PROGRAM FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN TEMPORARY PHYSICAL
DISQUALIFICATION.
5. PHYSICAL STANDARDS:
A. PER REFERENCE A, APPLICANTS MUST BE PHYSICALLY QUALIFIED AND
AERONAUTICALLY ADAPTED FOR DUTY INVOLVING ACTUAL CONTROL OF AIRCRAFT
AS A STUDENT NAVAL AVIATOR. APPLICANTS MUST MEET SERVICE GROUP I
MEDICAL STANDARDS, HOWEVER, PRK AND OTHER SERVICE GROUP I WAIVERS
WILL BE CONSIDERED.
B. ALL APPLICATIONS MUST INCLUDE A NAMI 342/BUMED 236 ENDORSED
FLIGHT PHYSICAL AS A STUDENT NAVAL AVIATOR. COPIES OF SF-88 (REPORT
OF MEDICAL EXAMINATION), EKG AND SF 93 (SUPPLEMENTAL MEDICAL
HISTORY) MUST BE FORWARDED TO: NAVAL AEROSPACE AND OPERATIONAL
MEDICAL INSTITUTE, ATTN: CODE 342, 22O HOVEY RD, PENSACOLA, FL 32508
FOR REVIEW 30 DAYS PRIOR TO BOARD CONVENING DATE. PREFERRED
APPLICATION SUBMISSION IS BY FAX AT COMM (850) 452-2708 OR
DSN 452-2708.
6. ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE OBLIGATION (ADSO):
A. UPON EARNING PILOT WINGS, TRANSITION CANDIDATES WILL INCUR A
SEVEN YEAR OBLIGATION IF SELECTED FOR PROPS OR HELOS AND AN EIGHT
YEAR OBLIGATION IF SELECTED FOR JETS.
B. FAILURE TO COMPLETE TRAINING FOR REASONS OTHER THAN PHYSICAL
WILL RESULT IN A RETURN TO PREVIOUS CAREER PROGRESSION AND A THREE
YEAR OBLIGATION FROM DATE OF DISENROLLMENT FROM PILOT TRAINING OR
COMPLETION OF PREVIOUSLY INCURRED ADSO, WHICHEVER IS LONGER.
7. AVIATION CAREER CONTINUATION PAY (ACCP):
ONCE ACCEPTED FOR PILOT TRAINING, ACCP ELIGIBILITY WILL BE BASED
UPON EXPIRATION OF ADSO INCURRED FOR COMPLETION OF PILOT TRAINING
AND WILL FOLLOW GUIDELINES OF BONUS PROGRAM IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.
8. CAREER PATH:
A. IN SELECTING NFO TO PILOT TRANSITION CANDIDATES, EVERY EFFORT
WILL BE MADE TO ENSURE THAT CANDIDATES ARE SELECTED EARLY ENOUGH IN
THEIR CAREERS TO ALLOW TIME TO NOT ONLY DEVELOP AS A NAVAL AVIATOR,
BUT TO COMPETE WITH PEERS FOR PROMOTION AS WELL.
B. OFFICERS SELECTED CAN EXPECT THEIR FIRST SHORE TOUR TO BE AS A
STUDENT IN THE TRACOM AND FRS FOLLOWED BY SECOND AND THIRD SEA TOURS
IN FLEET SQUADRONS FOR CAT 1 AVIATOR AND DEPARTMENT HEAD TOURS.
9. APPLICATIONS:
A. APPLICATIONS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO PERS-432E NO LATER THAN
THIRTY DAYS PRIOR TO BOARD CONVENING DATE AND MUST USE FORMAT
SPECIFIED IN REFERENCE A, "CONTENTS OF LETTER REQUEST," WITH THE
FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS:
(1) SUBJECT LINE SHOULD READ: "REQUEST FOR NFO TO PILOT TRAINING."
(2) PARA 2 SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH "ENCLOSURE (1) IS FORWARDED PER
REFERENCE (A). THE DATE OF MY BIRTH IS (DATE)." NOTE: APPLICANTS
MUST NOT HAVE PASSED THEIR 31ST BIRTHDAY WHEN BOARD CONVENES. AGE
WAIVERS WILL NOT BE GRANTED.
(3) PARA 7 SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH "I RECEIVED MY DESIGNATOR AS A
NAVAL FLIGHT OFFICER ON [WINGING DATE]."
(4) PARA 11-D SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH THE FOLLOWING: "IF I FAIL TO
COMPLETE TRAINING FOR REASONS OTHER THAN PHYSICAL, I AGREE TO RETURN
TO MY ORIGINAL COMMUNITY AS A NAVAL FLIGHT OFFICER AND I WILL SERVE
FOR 3 YEARS FROM THE DATE OF DISENROLLMENT FROM PILOT TRAINING OR
UNTIL COMPLETION OF A PREVIOUSLY INCURRED OBLIGATION, WHICHEVER IS
LONGER."
(5) DELETE PARAGRAPH 11-F.
(6) ADD PARAGRAPH 12 WHICH SHOULD INCLUDE A NARRATIVE DELINEATING
AIRCRAFT QUALIFICATIONS ACHIEVED, ANY SIGNIFICANT AVIATION-RELATED
HONORS EARNED AND ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON FIRST TOUR FLYING
EXPERIENCE TO INCLUDE FLIGHT HOURS, COMBAT MISSIONS, DAY/NIGHT
CARRIER LANDINGS, NVG HOURS, ETC.
B. ACCOMPANYING COMMAND ENDORSEMENTS SHOULD SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS
PERFORMANCE IN RELATION TO PEERS AS WELL AS TACTICAL ACUMEN,
AIRMANSHIP, HEADWORK, SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, PRIOR PILOTING
EXPERIENCE AND ANY ASSESSMENT OF HOW THE CANDIDATE WOULD PERFORM AS
A PILOT. ADDITIONALLY, ALL PACKAGES MUST INCLUDE, AT A MINIMUM, A
SECOND ENDORSEMENT FROM THE COMMANDING OFFICER'S REPORTING SENIOR
(WING COMMANDER, CAG, ETC).
10. POC: (1) CDR JACK SCORBY/CDR JAY JOHNSTON (POLICY), N131V,
(703) 693-2306 OR 2307/DSN 223.
(2) LT TIM BOYER (APPLICATIONS AND PROGRAM EXECUTION),
PERS-432E, (901) 874-3965/DSN 882.
11. RELEASED BY VADM NORB RYAN, JR., N1.//
BT
Edited by - steve wilkins on 07/24/2001 01:30:59
--Steve
ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
ROUTINE
R 022053Z MAY 01 ZYB MIN PSN 616966J34
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N131//
TO NAVADMIN
UNCLAS
NAVADMIN 101/01
MSGID/GENADMIN/N1//
SUBJ/FY-01 NAVAL FLIGHT OFFICER (NFO) TO PILOT PROGRAM//
REF/A/DOC/MILPERSMAN 1542-010/-//
AMPN/REF A IS MILPERSMAN ARTICLE GOVERNING SELECTION FOR NAVAL
AVIATION TRAINING//
RMKS/1. IN RESPONSE TO OVERWHELMING FLEET INTEREST, THIS NAVADMIN
ANNOUNCES THE REINSTATEMENT OF THE NFO TO PILOT TRANSITION PROGRAM.
THIS PROGRAM IS OPEN TO ALL NFO'S REGARDLESS OF COMMUNITY AND WILL
SELECT BETWEEN 12-36 CANDIDATES ANNUALLY. THE SELECTION PROCESS
WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT YEAR GROUP AND COMMUNITY INVENTORIES FOR BOTH
PILOTS AND NFO'S IN ORDER TO ENSURE SUFFICIENT INVENTORIES ARE
AVAILABLE TO MEET COMMUNITY REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, THE PRIMARY
GOAL WILL BE TO SELECT THE MOST HIGHLY QUALIFIED APPLICANTS.
2. THE NFO TO PILOT SELECTION BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED ANNUALLY WITH
THE FIRST BOARD SCHEDULED FOR 07 AUGUST 01.
3. APPLICANTS MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WILL COMPETE FOR PIPELINE
SELECTION BASED SOLELY UPON PERFORMANCE IN TRAINING AND NEEDS OF THE
NAVY. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO GOAL OR GUARANTEE THAT TRANSITIONED
AVIATORS WILL RETURN TO THEIR ORIGINAL COMMUNITY.
4. ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA:
A. HAVE LESS THAN 5 1/2 YEARS OF COMMISSIONED SERVICE WHEN BOARD
CONVENES.
B. HAVE NOT PASSED 31ST BIRTHDAY WHEN BOARD CONVENES.
C. HAVE SERVED AT LEAST 18 MONTHS IN FIRST FLEET SQUADRON WHEN
BOARD CONVENES.
D. MEET PILOT AVIATION SELECTION TEST BATTERY (ASTB) STANDARDS
(MINIMUM AQR-3/PFAR-4/PBI-4).
E. MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISENROLLED FROM ANY MILITARY
FLIGHT TRAINING PROGRAM FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN TEMPORARY PHYSICAL
DISQUALIFICATION.
5. PHYSICAL STANDARDS:
A. PER REFERENCE A, APPLICANTS MUST BE PHYSICALLY QUALIFIED AND
AERONAUTICALLY ADAPTED FOR DUTY INVOLVING ACTUAL CONTROL OF AIRCRAFT
AS A STUDENT NAVAL AVIATOR. APPLICANTS MUST MEET SERVICE GROUP I
MEDICAL STANDARDS, HOWEVER, PRK AND OTHER SERVICE GROUP I WAIVERS
WILL BE CONSIDERED.
B. ALL APPLICATIONS MUST INCLUDE A NAMI 342/BUMED 236 ENDORSED
FLIGHT PHYSICAL AS A STUDENT NAVAL AVIATOR. COPIES OF SF-88 (REPORT
OF MEDICAL EXAMINATION), EKG AND SF 93 (SUPPLEMENTAL MEDICAL
HISTORY) MUST BE FORWARDED TO: NAVAL AEROSPACE AND OPERATIONAL
MEDICAL INSTITUTE, ATTN: CODE 342, 22O HOVEY RD, PENSACOLA, FL 32508
FOR REVIEW 30 DAYS PRIOR TO BOARD CONVENING DATE. PREFERRED
APPLICATION SUBMISSION IS BY FAX AT COMM (850) 452-2708 OR
DSN 452-2708.
6. ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE OBLIGATION (ADSO):
A. UPON EARNING PILOT WINGS, TRANSITION CANDIDATES WILL INCUR A
SEVEN YEAR OBLIGATION IF SELECTED FOR PROPS OR HELOS AND AN EIGHT
YEAR OBLIGATION IF SELECTED FOR JETS.
B. FAILURE TO COMPLETE TRAINING FOR REASONS OTHER THAN PHYSICAL
WILL RESULT IN A RETURN TO PREVIOUS CAREER PROGRESSION AND A THREE
YEAR OBLIGATION FROM DATE OF DISENROLLMENT FROM PILOT TRAINING OR
COMPLETION OF PREVIOUSLY INCURRED ADSO, WHICHEVER IS LONGER.
7. AVIATION CAREER CONTINUATION PAY (ACCP):
ONCE ACCEPTED FOR PILOT TRAINING, ACCP ELIGIBILITY WILL BE BASED
UPON EXPIRATION OF ADSO INCURRED FOR COMPLETION OF PILOT TRAINING
AND WILL FOLLOW GUIDELINES OF BONUS PROGRAM IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.
8. CAREER PATH:
A. IN SELECTING NFO TO PILOT TRANSITION CANDIDATES, EVERY EFFORT
WILL BE MADE TO ENSURE THAT CANDIDATES ARE SELECTED EARLY ENOUGH IN
THEIR CAREERS TO ALLOW TIME TO NOT ONLY DEVELOP AS A NAVAL AVIATOR,
BUT TO COMPETE WITH PEERS FOR PROMOTION AS WELL.
B. OFFICERS SELECTED CAN EXPECT THEIR FIRST SHORE TOUR TO BE AS A
STUDENT IN THE TRACOM AND FRS FOLLOWED BY SECOND AND THIRD SEA TOURS
IN FLEET SQUADRONS FOR CAT 1 AVIATOR AND DEPARTMENT HEAD TOURS.
9. APPLICATIONS:
A. APPLICATIONS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO PERS-432E NO LATER THAN
THIRTY DAYS PRIOR TO BOARD CONVENING DATE AND MUST USE FORMAT
SPECIFIED IN REFERENCE A, "CONTENTS OF LETTER REQUEST," WITH THE
FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS:
(1) SUBJECT LINE SHOULD READ: "REQUEST FOR NFO TO PILOT TRAINING."
(2) PARA 2 SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH "ENCLOSURE (1) IS FORWARDED PER
REFERENCE (A). THE DATE OF MY BIRTH IS (DATE)." NOTE: APPLICANTS
MUST NOT HAVE PASSED THEIR 31ST BIRTHDAY WHEN BOARD CONVENES. AGE
WAIVERS WILL NOT BE GRANTED.
(3) PARA 7 SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH "I RECEIVED MY DESIGNATOR AS A
NAVAL FLIGHT OFFICER ON [WINGING DATE]."
(4) PARA 11-D SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH THE FOLLOWING: "IF I FAIL TO
COMPLETE TRAINING FOR REASONS OTHER THAN PHYSICAL, I AGREE TO RETURN
TO MY ORIGINAL COMMUNITY AS A NAVAL FLIGHT OFFICER AND I WILL SERVE
FOR 3 YEARS FROM THE DATE OF DISENROLLMENT FROM PILOT TRAINING OR
UNTIL COMPLETION OF A PREVIOUSLY INCURRED OBLIGATION, WHICHEVER IS
LONGER."
(5) DELETE PARAGRAPH 11-F.
(6) ADD PARAGRAPH 12 WHICH SHOULD INCLUDE A NARRATIVE DELINEATING
AIRCRAFT QUALIFICATIONS ACHIEVED, ANY SIGNIFICANT AVIATION-RELATED
HONORS EARNED AND ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON FIRST TOUR FLYING
EXPERIENCE TO INCLUDE FLIGHT HOURS, COMBAT MISSIONS, DAY/NIGHT
CARRIER LANDINGS, NVG HOURS, ETC.
B. ACCOMPANYING COMMAND ENDORSEMENTS SHOULD SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS
PERFORMANCE IN RELATION TO PEERS AS WELL AS TACTICAL ACUMEN,
AIRMANSHIP, HEADWORK, SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, PRIOR PILOTING
EXPERIENCE AND ANY ASSESSMENT OF HOW THE CANDIDATE WOULD PERFORM AS
A PILOT. ADDITIONALLY, ALL PACKAGES MUST INCLUDE, AT A MINIMUM, A
SECOND ENDORSEMENT FROM THE COMMANDING OFFICER'S REPORTING SENIOR
(WING COMMANDER, CAG, ETC).
10. POC: (1) CDR JACK SCORBY/CDR JAY JOHNSTON (POLICY), N131V,
(703) 693-2306 OR 2307/DSN 223.
(2) LT TIM BOYER (APPLICATIONS AND PROGRAM EXECUTION),
PERS-432E, (901) 874-3965/DSN 882.
11. RELEASED BY VADM NORB RYAN, JR., N1.//
BT
Edited by - steve wilkins on 07/24/2001 01:30:59
Here is some info that I posted the other day about the SNFO to SNA transistion in API and the NFO to Pilot transition.
In API the transition from SNFO to SNA has been stopped. They stopped it just before I reported in March. However, they are reinstating it in November. It will be the same as before, top 10% of each API class, which is more difficult than it seems because remember you are competing against both SNAs and SNFOs from all services, (when I left we had some Army guys going through).
The accident that Frumby was talking about that sealed the fate for retreads has been overturned, and NFOs are currently allowed to retread, I believe this is as of May. This was also brought to our attention by the CO of schools Command.
This is the information the was put out to us last month in API, and it was by our CO so it should be reliable but I would check again on it before you accept an NFO billet on the basis of transitioning.
In API the transition from SNFO to SNA has been stopped. They stopped it just before I reported in March. However, they are reinstating it in November. It will be the same as before, top 10% of each API class, which is more difficult than it seems because remember you are competing against both SNAs and SNFOs from all services, (when I left we had some Army guys going through).
The accident that Frumby was talking about that sealed the fate for retreads has been overturned, and NFOs are currently allowed to retread, I believe this is as of May. This was also brought to our attention by the CO of schools Command.
This is the information the was put out to us last month in API, and it was by our CO so it should be reliable but I would check again on it before you accept an NFO billet on the basis of transitioning.
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