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Media's Coverage Has Distorted World's View of Iraqi Reality

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This is a long article, but WELL WORTH the read. Please take the time and then discuss. Thank you for watching Coffee Talk.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/breaking2453389.0680555557.html

Media's Coverage Has Distorted World's View of Iraqi Reality

By LTC Tim Ryan
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Tuesday, January 18, 2005

Editors' Note: LTC Tim Ryan is Commander, Task Force 2-12 Cavalry, First Cavalry Division in Iraq. He led troops into battle in Fallujah late last year and is now involved in security operations for the upcoming elections. He wrote the following during "down time" after the Fallujah operation. His views are his own.

All right, I've had enough. I am tired of reading distorted and grossly exaggerated stories from major news organizations about the "failures" in the war in Iraq. "The most trusted name in news" and a long list of others continue to misrepresent the scale of events in Iraq. Print and video journalists are covering only a fraction of the events in Iraq and, more often than not, the events they cover are only negative.

The inaccurate picture they paint has distorted the world view of the daily realities in Iraq. The result is a further erosion of international support for the United States' efforts there, and a strengthening of the insurgents' resolve and recruiting efforts while weakening our own. Through their incomplete, uninformed and unbalanced reporting, many members of the media covering the war in Iraq are aiding and abetting the enemy.

The fact is the Coalition is making steady progress in Iraq, but not without ups and downs. So why is it that no matter what events unfold, good or bad, the media highlights mostly the negative aspects of the event? The journalistic adage, "If it bleeds, it leads," still applies in Iraq, but why only when it's American blood?

As a recent example, the operation in Fallujah delivered an absolutely devastating blow to the insurgency. Though much smaller in scope, clearing Fallujah of insurgents arguably could equate to the Allies' breakout from the hedgerows in France during World War II. In both cases, our troops overcame a well-prepared and solidly entrenched enemy and began what could be the latter's last stand. In Fallujah, the enemy death toll has exceeded 1,500 and still is climbing. Put one in the win column for the good guys, right? Wrong. As soon as there was nothing negative to report about Fallujah, the media shifted its focus to other parts of the country.

More recently, a major news agency's website lead read: "Suicide Bomber Kills Six in Baghdad" and "Seven Marines Die in Iraq Clashes." True, yes. Comprehensive, no. Did the author of this article bother to mention that Coalition troops killed 50 or so terrorists while incurring those seven losses? Of course not. Nor was there any mention about the substantial progress these offensive operations continue to achieve in defeating the insurgents. Unfortunately, this sort of incomplete reporting has become the norm for the media, whose poor job of presenting a complete picture of what is going on in Iraq borders on being criminal.

Much of the problem is about perspective, putting things in scale and balance. What if domestic news outlets continually fed American readers headlines like: "Bloody Week on U.S. Highways: Some 700 Killed," or "More Than 900 Americans Die Weekly from Obesity-Related Diseases"? Both of these headlines might be true statistically, but do they really represent accurate pictures of the situations? What if you combined all of the negatives to be found in the state of Texas and used them as an indicator of the quality of life for all Texans? Imagine the headlines: "Anti-law Enforcement Elements Spread Robbery, Rape and Murder through Texas Cities." For all intents and purposes, this statement is true for any day of any year in any state. True — yes, accurate — yes, but in context with the greater good taking place — no! After a year or two of headlines like these, more than a few folks back in Texas and the rest of the U.S. probably would be ready to jump off of a building and end it all. So, imagine being an American in Iraq right now.

From where I sit in Iraq, things are not all bad right now. In fact, they are going quite well. We are not under attack by the enemy; on the contrary, we are taking the fight to him daily and have him on the ropes. In the distance, I can hear the repeated impacts of heavy artillery and five-hundred-pound bombs hitting their targets. The occasional tank main gun report and the staccato rhythm of a Marine Corps LAV or Army Bradley Fighting Vehicle's 25-millimeter cannon provide the bass line for a symphony of destruction. As elements from all four services complete the absolute annihilation of the insurgent forces remaining in Fallujah, the area around the former insurgent stronghold is more peaceful than it has been for more than a year.

The number of attacks in the greater Al Anbar Province is down by at least 70-80 percent from late October — before Operation Al Fajar began. The enemy in this area is completely defeated, but not completely gone. Final eradication of the pockets of insurgents will take some time, as it always does, but the fact remains that the central geographic stronghold of the insurgents is now under friendly control. That sounds a lot like success to me. Given all of this, why don't the papers lead with "Coalition Crushes Remaining Pockets of Insurgents" or "Enemy Forces Resort to Suicide Bombings of Civilians"? This would paint a far more accurate picture of the enemy's predicament over here. Instead, headlines focus almost exclusively on our hardships.

What about the media's portrayal of the enemy? Why do these ruthless murderers, kidnappers and thieves get a pass when it comes to their actions? What did the the media show or tell us about Margaret Hassoon, the director of C.A.R.E. in Iraq and an Iraqi citizen, who was kidnapped, brutally tortured and left disemboweled on a street in Fallujah? Did anyone in the press show these images over and over to emphasize the moral failings of the enemy as they did with the soldiers at Abu Ghuraib? Did anyone show the world how this enemy had huge stockpiles of weapons in schools and mosques, or how he used these protected places as sanctuaries for planning and fighting in Fallujah and the rest of Iraq? Are people of the world getting the complete story? The answer again is no! What the world got instead were repeated images of a battle-weary Marine who made a quick decision to use lethal force and who immediately was tried in the world press. Was this one act really illustrative of the overall action in Fallujah? No, but the Marine video clip was shown an average of four times each hour on just about every major TV news channel for a week. This is how the world views our efforts over here and stories like this without a counter continually serve as propaganda victories for the enemy. Al Jazeera isn't showing the film of the C.A.R.E. worker, but is showing the clip of the Marine. Earlier this year, the Iraqi government banned Al Jazeera from the country for its inaccurate reporting. Wonder where they get their information now? Well, if you go to the Internet, you'll find a web link from the Al Jazeera home page to CNN's home page. Very interesting.

The operation in Fallujah is only one of the recent examples of incomplete coverage of the events in Iraq. The battle in Najaf last August provides another. Television and newspapers spilled a continuous stream of images and stories about the destruction done to the sacred city, and of all the human suffering allegedly brought about by the hands of the big, bad Americans. These stories and the lack of anything to counter them gave more fuel to the fire of anti-Americanism that burns in this part of the world. Those on the outside saw the Coalition portrayed as invaders or oppressors, killing hapless Iraqis who, one was given to believe, simply were trying to defend their homes and their Muslim way of life.

Such perceptions couldn't be farther from the truth. What noticeably was missing were accounts of the atrocities committed by the Mehdi Militia — Muqtada Al Sadr's band of henchmen. While the media was busy bashing the Coalition, Muqtada's boys were kidnapping policemen, city council members and anyone else accused of supporting the Coalition or the new government, trying them in a kangaroo court based on Islamic Shari'a law, then brutally torturing and executing them for their "crimes." What the media didn't show or write about were the two hundred-plus headless bodies found in the main mosque there, or the body that was put into a bread oven and baked. Nor did they show the world the hundreds of thousands of mortar, artillery and small arms rounds found within the "sacred" walls of the mosque. Also missing from the coverage was the huge cache of weapons found in Muqtada's "political" headquarters nearby. No, none of this made it to the screen or to print. All anyone showed were the few chipped tiles on the dome of the mosque and discussion centered on how we, the Coalition, had somehow done wrong. Score another one for the enemy's propaganda machine.

Now, compare the Najaf example to the coverage and debate ad nauseam of the Abu Ghuraib Prison affair. There certainly is no justification for what a dozen or so soldiers did there, but unbalanced reporting led the world to believe that the actions of the dozen were representative of the entire military. This has had an incredibly negative effect on Middle Easterners' already sagging opinion of the U.S. and its military. Did anyone show the world images of the 200 who were beheaded and mutilated in Muqtada's Shari'a Law court, or spend the next six months talking about how horrible all of that was? No, of course not. Most people don't know that these atrocities even happened. It's little wonder that many people here want us out and would vote someone like Muqtada Al Sadr into office given the chance — they never see the whole truth. Strange, when the enemy is the instigator the media does not flash images across the screens of televisions in the Middle East as they did with Abu Ghuraib. Is it because the beheaded bodies might offend someone? If so, then why do we continue see photos of the naked human pyramid over and over?

So, why doesn't the military get more involved in showing the media the other side of the story? The answer is they do. Although some outfits are better than others, the Army and other military organizations today understand the importance of getting out the story — the whole story — and trains leaders to talk to the press. There is a saying about media and the military that goes: "The only way the media is going to tell a good story is if you give them one to tell." This doesn't always work as planned. Recently, when a Coalition spokesman tried to let TV networks in on opening moves in the Fallujah operation, they misconstrued the events for something they were not and then blamed the military for their gullibility. CNN recently aired a "special report" in which the cable network accused the military of lying to it and others about the beginning of the Fallujah operation. The incident referred to took place in October when a Marine public affairs officer called media representatives and told them that an operation was about to begin. Reporters rushed to the outskirts of Fallujah to see what they assumed was going to be the beginning of the main attack on the city. As it turned out, what they saw were tactical "feints" designed to confuse the enemy about the timing of the main attack, then planned to take place weeks later.

Once the network realized that major combat operations wouldn't start for several more weeks, CNN alleged that the Marines had used them as a tool for their deception operation. Now, they say they want answers from the military and the administration on the matter. The reality appears to be that in their zeal to scoop their competition, CNN and others took the information they were given and turned it into what they wanted it to be. Did the military lie to the media: no. It is specifically against regulations to provide misinformation to the press. However, did the military planners anticipate that reporters would take the ball and run with it, adding to the overall deception plan? Possibly. Is that unprecedented or illegal? Of course not.

CNN and others say they were duped by the military in this and other cases. Yet, they never seem to be upset by the undeniable fact that the enemy manipulates them with a cunning that is almost worthy of envy. You can bet that terrorist leader Abu Musab Al Zarqawi has his own version of a public affairs officer and it is evident that he uses him to great effect. Each time Zarqawi's group executes a terrorist act such as a beheading or a car bomb, they have a prepared statement ready to post on their website and feed to the press. Over-eager reporters take the bait, hook, line and sinker, and report it just as they got it.

Did it ever occur to the media that this type of notoriety is just what the terrorists want and need? Every headline they grab is a victory for them. Those who have read the ancient Chinese military theorist and army general Sun Tzu will recall the philosophy of "Kill one, scare ten thousand" as the basic theory behind the strategy of terrorism. Through fear, the terrorist can then manipulate the behavior of the masses. The media allows the terrorist to use relatively small but spectacular events that directly affect very few, and spread them around the world to scare millions. What about the thousands of things that go right every day and are never reported? Complete a multi-million-dollar sewer project and no one wants to cover it, but let one car bomb go off and it makes headlines. With each headline, the enemy scores another point and the good-guys lose one. This method of scoring slowly is eroding domestic and international support while fueling the enemy's cause.

I believe one of the reasons for this shallow and subjective reporting is that many reporters never actually cover the events they report on. This is a point of growing concern within the Coalition. It appears many members of the media are hesitant to venture beyond the relative safety of the so-called "International Zone" in downtown Baghdad, or similar "safe havens" in other large cities. Because terrorists and other thugs wisely target western media members and others for kidnappings or attacks, the westerners stay close to their quarters. This has the effect of holding the media captive in cities and keeps them away from the broader truth that lies outside their view. With the press thus cornered, the terrorists easily feed their unwitting captives a thin gruel of anarchy, one spoonful each day. A car bomb at the entry point to the International Zone one day, a few mortars the next, maybe a kidnapping or two thrown in. All delivered to the doorsteps of those who will gladly accept it without having to leave their hotel rooms — how convenient.

The scene is repeated all too often: an attack takes place in Baghdad and the morning sounds are punctuated by a large explosion and a rising cloud of smoke. Sirens wail in the distance and photographers dash to the scene a few miles away. Within the hour, stern-faced reporters confidently stare into the camera while standing on the balcony of their tenth-floor Baghdad hotel room, their back to the city and a distant smoke plume rising behind them. More mayhem in Gotham City they intone, and just in time for the morning news. There is a transparent reason why the majority of car bombings and other major events take place before noon Baghdad-time; any later and the event would miss the start of the morning news cycle on the U.S. east coast. These terrorists aren't stupid; they know just what to do to scare the masses and when to do it. An important key to their plan is manipulation of the news media. But, at least the reporters in Iraq are gathering information and filing their stories, regardless of whether or the stories are in perspective. Much worse are the "talking heads" who sit in studios or offices back home and pontificate about how badly things are going when they never have been to Iraq and only occasionally leave Manhattan.

Almost on a daily basis, newspapers, periodicals and airwaves give us negative views about the premises for this war and its progress. It seems that everyone from politicians to pop stars are voicing their unqualified opinions on how things are going. Recently, I saw a Rolling Stone magazine and in bold print on the cover was, "Iraq on Fire; Dispatches from the Lost War." Now, will someone please tell me who at Rolling Stone or just about any other "news" outlet is qualified to make a determination as to when all is lost and it's time to throw in the towel? In reality, such flawed reporting serves only to misshape world opinion and bolster the enemy's position. Each enemy success splashed across the front pages and TV screens of the world not only emboldens them, but increases their ability to recruit more money and followers.

So what are the credentials of these self proclaimed "experts"? The fact is that most of those on whom we rely for complete and factual accounts have little or no experience or education in counter-insurgency operations or in nation-building to support their assessments. How would they really know if things are going well or not? War is an ugly thing with many unexpected twists and turns. Who among them is qualified to say if this one is worse than any other at this point? What would they have said in early 1942 about our chances of winning World War II? Was it a lost cause too? How much have these "experts" studied warfare and counter-insurgencies in particular? Have they ever read Roger Trinquier's treatise Modern Warfare: A French View on Counter-insurgency (1956)? He is one of the few French military guys who got it right. The Algerian insurgency of the 1950s and the Iraq insurgency have many similarities. What about Napoleon's campaigns in Sardinia in 1805-07? Again, there are a lot of similarities to this campaign. Have they studied that and contrasted the strategies? Or, have they even read Mao Zedung's theories on insurgencies, or Nygen Giap's, or maybe Che' Gueverra's? Have they seen any of Sun Tzu's work lately? Who are these guys? It's time to start studying, folks. If a journalist doesn't recognize the names on this list, he or she probably isn't qualified to assess the state of this or any other campaign's progress.

Worse yet, why in the world would they seek opinion from someone who probably knows even less than they do about the state of affairs in Iraq? It sells commercials, I suppose. But, I find it amazing that some people are more apt to listen to a movie star's or rock singer's view on how we should prosecute world affairs than to someone whose profession it is to know how these things should go. I play the guitar, but Bruce Springsteen doesn't listen to me play. Why should I be subjected to his views on the validity of the war? By profession, he's a guitar player. Someone remind me what it is that makes Sean Penn an expert on anything. It seems that anyone who has a dissenting view is first to get in front of the camera. I'm all for freedom of speech, but let's talk about things we know. Otherwise, television news soon could have about as much credibility as "The Bachelor" has for showing us truly loving couples.

Also bothersome are references by "experts" on how "long" this war is taking. I've read that in the world of manufacturing, you can have only two of the following three qualities when developing a product — cheap, fast or good. You can produce something cheap and fast, but it won't be good; good and fast, but it won't be cheap; good and cheap, but it won't be fast. In this case, we want the result to be good and we want it at the lowest cost in human lives. Given this set of conditions, one can expect this war is to take a while, and rightfully so. Creating a democracy in Iraq not only will require a change in the political system, but the economic system as well. Study of examples of similar socio-economic changes that took place in countries like Chile, Bulgaria, Serbia, Russia and other countries with oppressive Socialist dictatorships shows that it took seven to ten years to move those countries to where they are now. There are many lessons to be learned from these transfomations, the most important of which is that change doesn't come easily, even without an insurgency going on. Maybe the experts should take a look at all of the work that has gone into stabilizing Bosnia-Herzegovina over the last 10 years. We are just at the 20-month mark in Iraq, a place far more oppressive than Bosnia ever was. If previous examples are any comparison, there will be no quick solutions here, but that should be no surprise to an analyst who has done his or her homework.

This war is not without its tragedies; none ever are. The key to the enemy's success is use of his limited assets to gain the greatest influence over the masses. The media serves as the glass through which a relatively small event can be magnified to international proportions, and the enemy is exploiting this with incredible ease. There is no good news to counteract the bad, so the enemy scores a victory almost every day. In its zeal to get to the hot spots and report the latest bombing, the media is missing the reality of a greater good going on in Iraq. We seldom are seen doing anything right or positive in the news. People believe what they see, and what people of the world see almost on a daily basis is negative. How could they see it any other way? These images and stories, out of scale and context to the greater good going on over here, are just the sort of thing the terrorists are looking for. This focus on the enemy's successes strengthens his resolve and aids and abets his cause. It's the American image abroad that suffers in the end.

Ironically, the press freedom that we have brought to this part of the world is providing support for the enemy we fight. I obviously think it's a disgrace when many on whom the world relies for news paint such an incomplete picture of what actually has happened. Much too much is ignored or omitted. I am confident that history will prove our cause right in this war, but by the time that happens, the world might be so steeped in the gloom of ignorance we won't recognize victory when we achieve it.

Postscript: I have had my staff aggressively pursue media coverage for all sorts of events that tell the other side of the story only to have them turned down or ignored by the press in Baghdad. Strangely, I found it much easier to lure the Arab media to a "non-lethal" event than the western outlets. Open a renovated school or a youth center and I could always count on Al-Iraqia or even Al-Jazeera to show up, but no western media ever showed up – ever. Now I did have a pretty dangerous sector, the Abu Ghuraib district that extends from western Baghdad to the outskirts of Fallujah (not including the prison), but it certainly wasn't as bad as Fallujah in November and there were reporters in there.

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VarmintShooter

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Hmmm. This article makes me wonder ...

If you were to compare newspaper headlines from the first 20 months of WWII, Vietnam, and this war, how would the stats fall out comparing headlines that were positive for the Allies, negative toward the Allies, positive toward the enemy, and negative toward the enemy?

My suspicion is that we would find WWII to have had more articles that were positive for us and more that were negative toward the enemy. But lets face it, back then the nation wanted to win the war, these days 50% of the US would like to see us fail just so they could bash on Bush (especially the media).

I suspect that Vietnam would have much more in the way of negative reports on us and positive on them (Jane Fonda burn in hell). The negative media turned the tide against us in that war in my opinion.

So all of you History majors out there ... wouldn't that make a good project?

Awesome article, by the way.
 

akamifeldman

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trying NOT to start a flame war...

It is offensive to equate Iraq with World War Two.

In 1941 the entire country was united in fighting the people who so savagely attacked us. Fast forward 60 years. 9/11 and the fear of more 9/11-style attacks were used by the Administration to sell an elective war to the American people, more than 50% of which now do not think the war was worth it. Add in the fact that the central justification for war was proved to be horribly wrong and that more soldiers have died after major combat operations than during, it would be no surprise that the media is not whoring over the President.

So does everyone have a Simpsons avatar now or what?
 

VarmintShooter

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akamifeldman said:
It is offensive to equate Iraq with World War Two.

Haha, true, it would be. Wasn't trying to equate the wars. Think it would be interesting to compare media coverage though. My point was that public opinion has a real effect on the military's (through political pressure) ability to fight a war. Lots of good press can only strengthen our resolve to finish fighting the war and win, while continued negative press serves only to weaken our resolve and make backing out more attractive.

Perhaps I should have been clearer.

In 1941 the entire country was united in fighting the people who so savagely attacked us. Fast forward 60 years. 9/11 and the fear of more 9/11-style attacks were used by the Administration to sell an elective war to the American people, more than 50% of which now do not think the war was worth it. Add in the fact that the central justification for war was proved to be horribly wrong and that more soldiers have died after major combat operations than during, it would be no surprise that the media is not whoring over the President.

I'll not argue that the wars aren't vastly diffrent.

Not suprised that more soldiers have died after major combat than during, but what does that statistic prove? Only that the conventional forces were more easily defeated than the bands of militants hiding out and waiting to fight a street by street war. Not much of a shock.

No weapons of mass destruction, which was the big ticket for this at the beginning. I know that many people feel this makes the war not worth it. Fair enough for them. For me, getting rid of Saddam makes it worth it. Really don't want to get in another argument as to whether the war was justified. Not the point of this thread or my previous post. :sleep_125

So does everyone have a Simpsons avatar now or what?

My last was Simpsons too (Comic Book Guy) ... I change them out every so often, Simpsons was bound to come up eventually.

So what about the actual point of this thread, the article? I thought it was great (no suprise there). The media doesn't cover the good with equal veracity as the bad. We are doing good things over there and the enemy is doing bad things over there.

Why not cover the enemy beheading all of those people (as he talks about in the article) or the weps stockpiled in the mosques? My take ... covering that makes the enemy look bad, making our presence there look more justified, making Bush look better and his detractors look worse. What's your take?
 

erinbynight

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Indeed. As I suggested in a previous thread, if the media wants to cover the hotzone, I think they are well entitled. They have earned it. It is what people read every day, and that is what gives the media credibility: the fact that people listen to them. And so the media reports what is interesting. Some reporters are doing a great job with the units they joined up with. However, living in Washington D.C, home of the Washington Post, you would never know how well we were doing over there. Its about time we did something about these psychos that are inhabiting MY PLANET b/c I sure as hell don't want them here. Anyway...my suggestion earlier was to send the media in first so that they could get a true perspective on the situation. Then they need to file detailed reports so that our military back home here who doesn't know themselves whats going on (note the sarcasm) can make informed decisions. I wonder how many reporters would 1. come back out of the hotzone, and 2. report the same as they are now on the war. But of course, that would be endangering the lives of Americans, and who wants to do that in the cause of freedom, truth, and justice (sarcasm people).
 

akamifeldman

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My point was that public opinion has a real effect on the military's (through political pressure) ability to fight a war.
I think this was true under previous presidents. President Bush seems to stand by his decisions, come hell or high water...or public demonstrations, world opinion, and the facts.

but what does that statistic prove?
It proves how the war planners underestimated the strength of the insurgency and inadequately prepared the public and themselves for this outcome. It is exemplary of their analytical failures. Not a major factor in this particular discussion, but still pertinent.

Really don't want to get in another argument as to whether the war was justified.
Roger that.

My take ... covering that makes the enemy look bad, making our presence there look more justified, making Bush look better and his detractors look worse.
I find it very hard to believe in some sort of 'vast leftist media conspiracy' theory. Ever listen to AM talk radio or skip over Fox News on the way to CNN? :icon_tong

While "If it bleeds, it leads," is true for the most part, it is even more important who is bleeding. Using the recent tsunami as an example, it didn't matter that tens of thousands of Asians were killed, only that a famous American supermodel was injured. The same element is in play here. Two dozen Iraqi police officers dying in a car bomb simply doesn't hold the primarily American audience's attention as much as an American dying does.

Why not cover the enemy beheading all of those people?
I don't want to give those bastards any more time than necessary.

I think I'll hang on to Kodos (or is it Kang?) for a while...although no one has a Mr. Burns avatar, do they...? :icon_wink
 

A4sForever

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akamifeldman said:
So does everyone have a Simpsons avatar now or what?

Nope, mine's a real Navy LSO ... and what are you? Suggestion: how about putting up some "bio" on your profile, so we know whether or not you are a human being worth discoursing with, or if you are merely a "bomb-thrower", Mike? ("Mike" is just a guess on akamifeldman ... BTW)

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Here's looking @ YOU, "Mike" ...
 

A4sForever

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akamifeldman said:
People on this board know who I am and what I stand for.
In time, you will too.
Hmmmm, let's see ... I'm on this board, and I am clueless as to who/what/where you are or where you stand. I tremble at the possibilities, but PLEASE let me in on the secret ... PLEASE ... PLEASE, I'm BEGGING YOU , MIKE, PLEASE !!!

My request remains quietly in place ... unless, of course, you cannot or will not comply. Or -- if you prefer to "enlighten me in the darkness" --- send me a PM . As it stands --- you have ZERO credibility with those who have "been there" ... and yourself ??; "akamifeldman" ???

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HERE's Still Looking @ YOU, "Mike"

Love you though, MIKE,
A4s ... OUT
 

petescheu

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akamifeldman said:
It is offensive to equate Iraq with World War Two.

In 1941 the entire country was united in fighting the people who so savagely attacked us. Fast forward 60 years. 9/11 and the fear of more 9/11-style attacks were used by the Administration to sell an elective war to the American people, more than 50% of which now do not think the war was worth it. Add in the fact that the central justification for war was proved to be horribly wrong and that more soldiers have died after major combat operations than during, it would be no surprise that the media is not whoring over the President.

So does everyone have a Simpsons avatar now or what?

As for where you stand, I get the distinct feeling it's a little more left leaning opinion. I disagree... not only do I not have a Simpson’s avatar, but I also think that it isn't offensive in the least to equate Iraq w/ WWII. In fact, I think the only difference between then and now is how many people had to die before we stood up for what we knew was right. Appeasement is never the answer my friend, and in WWII that's what everyone was trying to do because they remembered WWI so vividly. Where'd it get Europe? Germany was knocking on Britain’s door before they finally realized what hit them and we all decided to really throw down.
As for WMDs... do you have the security clearance to know for a fact that Saddam never had any? Or that they were never moved into Syria, or Iran, or anywhere else? Do you really think that Saddam is that stupid? Why did he screw around with the UN for years if he had NOTHING to hide? How, in any way, did that benefit him. Does anyone in the press have the clearance to know anything about what was REALLY going on in Iraq before we invaded? I think the answer to all that is no. But I do think that there are people who have access to information that would probably scare the crap out of you if you actually knew 10% of what they know. Does it make it any less worth it to realize that a major threat to the US and the rest of the world was removed? Have you read the 9/11 report? Did you know that Saddam and Al Queda did have contact prior to Saddam’s removal? Are you really that ignorant to think that they would never work together one, two, or ten years down the road simply for no other reason than they hate America and all that it stands for? What about the tens of millions of Iraqis that are now a free people... the LTCOl’s article makes it obvious that Iraq is a much better place to be than the left wing MSM makes it out to be. What about what a stable Democracy will mean to the rest of the Middle East in a few years??? Wasn't that what we accomplished in the end of WWII with Germany and Japan?
I'm sorry, but I can't stand it when liberals go off the wall when they try and insinuate that GW and the military invaded Iraq just for kicks. We went in for the safety of all Americans, including the liberal media and the rest of all their bleeding heart liberal friends who obviously don't have the guts to stand up for freedom when it's necessary- BEFORE thousands of people are killed in another 9/11 type attack. I mean really, how many people have to die before the "angry left" is willing to take a stand and defend America.... does it have to be their parents or their friends before their actually realize how evil these people are? That kind of complacency is deadly, and while they might be willing to risk their life or the lives of their family or fellow Americas, I most certainly am not.
 

VarmintShooter

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akamifeldman said:
I think this was true under previous presidents.

True, which was my point.

President Bush seems to stand by his decisions, come hell or high water...or public demonstrations, world opinion, and the facts.

I don't want a President who bases policy on world opinion. The rest of the world looks out for their own interests, not ours. If we based our decisions on what the world would like us to do we would quickly be an ex-superpower. Many liberals are comfortable with that, I am not.

Fact: Saddam was evil and I'll never be sad that he's out of power.


It proves how the war planners underestimated the strength of the insurgency and inadequately prepared the public and themselves for this outcome. It is exemplary of their analytical failures. Not a major factor in this particular discussion, but still pertinent.

No it doesn't, it only proves that it is tougher to kill the militants than it was the regular forces. How do you know whether the war planners anticipated this? Do you think they would have said so? Hey guys, we're going to go and wipe out the regular forces, but get ready for a prolonged fight against insurgents that promises to cost many lives over the next several years ... I don't think so.


I find it very hard to believe in some sort of 'vast leftist media conspiracy' theory. Ever listen to AM talk radio or skip over Fox News on the way to CNN? :icon_tong

While "If it bleeds, it leads," is true for the most part, it is even more important who is bleeding. Using the recent tsunami as an example, it didn't matter that tens of thousands of Asians were killed, only that a famous American supermodel was injured. The same element is in play here. Two dozen Iraqi police officers dying in a car bomb simply doesn't hold the primarily American audience's attention as much as an American dying does.

Did you read the article at the beginning of the thread? Assuming that you did, and that you understand the impact of negative media coverage on the war, what part of your statement makes sense unless the media would like us to fail?

You don't think that the tsunami was well covered? I think that the message definately got out considering the huge amount of money donated in this country by private citizens. I donated, but not to the supermodel (who was it? ... hopefully a dude supermodel :)).


I can tell you that both the positive and the negative aspects of the war hold my attention. Certainly the public's attention would be held by nice pics or stories of beheaded people ... and you know it would.

Don't want to give them airtime, fine, then knowing how the media affects the war, cover some of the positives going on over there. Cover the our good along with their bad ... these guys did this bad thing and we killed them ... that sort of thing. Definately interesting and a positive for the war effort at the same time, while not giving the (dead) terrorists what they want.

The fact is that the media is well aware of its impact on public opinion, and uses it in the manner it sees fit. You can't seriously be suggesting that the media is unaware of its role in swaying the public, can you?

Or if you are suggesting that the majority of media doesn't slant against the war then I don't think you really have a good grasp here.
 

Alex

Registered User
"This subject reminds me of the attitude a lot of civilians seem to have: namely, that our advances are wonderful and very cheap. People forget that even though ten men only are killed to gain five miles, those ten men are something priceless, something which can never be bought, created, or equaled. And those wounded men who will never walk or never see again, will they be remembered? Will the public, so used to optimistic headlines, be able to face these lads and help them. I wonder."

David Kenyon Webster, letter to his parents
Co. E, 506 Parachute Infantry
A.P.O. 472, Postmaster, N.Y.
August 28, 1944
 

erinbynight

erinbynight
I agree with all you said shoo24. I for one believe that Saddam had weapons of chemical, biological, and/or nuclear nature, and that he intended to use them against America and what she stands for. I have a hell of a lot more to say, but will hold my tongue. Anger comes to quick these days.
 

sirenia

Sub Nuke's Wife
While I agree in general that the media distorts facts to attract a larger audience and appeal to their "sentiments" about the war, I think there are many reporters/correspondents out there who are doing their job as objectively as possible. It is rare to hear a report that is negative coming from a reporter in cammo and helmet with the troops in Iraq. And many reporters have died since the war started in Iraq along with our soldiers. Being a liberal [uh oh... I am going to get major flack for announcing this] I can safely say that not all of us are against removing oppressive dictators and WMDs even though I think we were hasty in engaging with Iraq. Agree--Saddam will not be missed. Agree--the media needs to do a better job of conveying the good as well as the bad to the American people.

As far as world opinion is concerned, it matters as long as American people think it matters, which is the whole point of a democracy. And this isn't simply a liberal speaking...I have many conservative friends who are just as concerned. Having said that, should America not look out for its own best interests? Sure thing. Every nation does that.
 
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