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Looking for gouge? Ask your Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation here (Part 1)

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MasterBates

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HS = Helicopter Antisubmarine = Carrier Helo Squadron
HSL = HS LIGHT = Small Boy Helos

HSL is a tad of a misnomer, as they use the same basic airframe, but the 60B/R that HSL uses has a bunch more crap in it, and is heavier.
 

HeyJoe

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What do HS and HSL stand for as when use in the different platforms thread?

Gatordev or MB will be along shortly (they both hail from HSL side of the SH-60 community). It used to be SH-60B for HSL (deploys as dets on "small boys") and SH-60F deployed as a squadron aboard carriers and later added HH-60H to their inventory alongside the Foxtrots. Current Helo Master plan is introducing the MH-60R to replace both the Bravo and Foxtrot and the MH-60S is replacing the H-46 and the HH-60H (and with a AMCM mission kit will replace the MH-53E or try to). Clear as mud or stir up more stupid questions? ;)
 

Gatordev

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HSL is a tad of a misnomer, as they use the same basic airframe, but the 60B/R that HSL uses has a bunch more crap in it, and is heavier.

But...

HSL did not originate w/ the -60, so at the time, the name fit (H-3...big versus the H-2...tiny). MB, I know you know this, but since the Google button seems to be still broken for SOG...
 

MasterBates

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True.. I just wonder why they never renamed when the 60B came online as no squadrons save HSL-37 "converted"..

Where as the HSL outfits are becoming HSM with the advent of the 60R, but most are being decommissioned and "new" HSM squadrons are replacing them.
 

joshmf

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CVA: Attack Aircraft Carrier

CVAN: Attack Aircraft Carrier, Nuclear

CVB: Large Aircraft Carrier

CVE: Escort Aircraft Carrier

CVL: Light Aircraft Carrier

CVN: Multi-purpose Aircraft Carrier (Nuclear-Propulsion)

CVS: Antisubmarine Aircraft Carrier

To follow up on SoGs Google-do, have these designations ever been used? Do they mean aircraft carriers in the past were designed differently based on the mission they were expected to carryout? Or are these designations based on their current mission?

I guess whats not clear to me is: In the past, where there groups of aircraft carriers working together, one designed for Attack, one for Escort, one for Antisubmarine, etc? Doesn't that just depend on aircraft they deploy, therefore necessarily making every one a CV (or CVN)?

I understand the Light and Nuclear designations, I just don't get where this -A, -E, -S business comes from.
 

raptor10

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To follow up on SoGs Google-do, have these designations ever been used? Do they mean aircraft carriers in the past were designed differently based on the mission they were expected to carryout? Or are these designations based on their current mission?

I guess whats not clear to me is: In the past, where there groups of aircraft carriers working together, one designed for Attack, one for Escort, one for Antisubmarine, etc? Doesn't that just depend on aircraft they deploy, therefore necessarily making every a CV (or CVN)?

I understand the Light and Nuclear designations, I just don't get where this -A, -E, -S business comes from.

Here you go...

 

joshmf

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Wow, thanks for the quick reply. That first link really cleared things up, I had no idea there were so many aircraft carriers used during WWII.

Next topic for me to research: Aircraft carrier tactics in WWII.
 

joshmf

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In doing some brief research, it looks like we had eight CVs at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, but none of them were at Pearl Harbor at the time. Does anyone know why this is? If Pearl Harbor was supposed to be our main concentration of naval forces in the Pacific at the time, why did we not have any carriers there?

Can anyone recommend some good books on the topic? This is really starting to interest me.

Don't forget that at one time, Lexington was AVT-16.

I looked up this designation, and it coincided nicely with an earlier discussion on this thread that bothered me. I had always assumed that carrier-based pilots would practice traps somewhere before going to an actual ship, but apparently they just Field Qual instead. So was AVT-16 used to practice landings with wires, or was it basically the same as the current Outlying Fields? Why was this practice stopped (money and lack of surplus WWII CVs in good shape would be my guesses)?
 

raptor10

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In doing some brief research, it looks like we had eight CVs at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, but none of them were at Pearl Harbor at the time. Does anyone know why this is? If Pearl Harbor was supposed to be our main concentration of naval forces in the Pacific at the time, why did we not have any carriers there?

Can anyone recommend some good books on the topic? This is really starting to interest me.



I looked up this designation, and it coincided nicely with an earlier discussion on this thread that bothered me. I had always assumed that carrier-based pilots would practice traps somewhere before going to an actual ship, but apparently they just Field Qual instead. So was AVT-16 used to practice landings with wires, or was it basically the same as the current Outlying Fields? Why was this practice stopped (money and lack of surplus WWII CVs in good shape would be my guesses)?
From Wikpedia
None of the US Pacific Fleet aircraft carriers were in Pearl Harbor when the attack came. This has been alleged by some to be evidence of advance knowledge of the attack; the carriers were supposedly away so as to save them (the most valuable ships) from attack.
In fact, the two carriers then operating with the Pacific Fleet, Enterprise and Lexington, were on missions to deliver fighters to Wake and Midway Islands. (The third, Saratoga, was in routine refit at Bremerton, in the Puget Sound shipyard.) These assignments sent the carriers west, toward Japan and the Kido Butai, lightly escorted. At the time of the attack, Enterprise was about 200 miles (370km?) west of Pearl Harbor, heading back. In fact, Enterprise was scheduled to be back on December 6th, but was delayed by weather. A rescheduling had her estimated time of arrival as 7:00, almost an hour before the attack, but she was also unable to make this schedule.
Furthermore, at the time, aircraft carriers were classified as fleet scouting elements, and hence relatively expendable; they were not capital ships. The most important vessels in naval planning even as late as Pearl Harbor were battleships (per the Mahanian doctrine followed by both the U.S. and Japanese navies at the time). As the only surface strike power remaining available in the Pacific fleet, carriers became the Navy's most important ships following the attack, and their work, added to the results of the Pearl Harbor Raid, and the sinking of the Prince of Wales and Repulse, effected a sea change in worldwide Naval thinking.
 

staff03

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random questions

figured this would be the best place to post these 2 questions:

1. When exactly does your 6-8 year commission start for a pilot, is it once you start ocs or once you get winged, or other?

2. one of my buddies in ifs right now mentioned that it might be possible to get it taken care of before you even start ocs. he said that once you are sworn in you can get your ifs training done at any airport while you are waiting to class up for ocs. is this true?
 

adam28270

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figured this would be the best place to post these 2 questions:

1. When exactly does your 6-8 year commission start for a pilot, is it once you start ocs or once you get winged, or other?


2. one of my buddies in ifs right now mentioned that it might be possible to get it taken care of before you even start ocs. he said that once you are sworn in you can get your ifs training done at any airport while you are waiting to class up for ocs. is this true?

1. After you are winged.

2. I've heard two different things. My unit looked into having it done locally a few years back when SNA's were stashed for over 6 months. More recently, I've heard that it's part of the pipeline once you get to pensacola. Could someone elaborate on this?
 

UMichfly

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All IFS is now done at either Pensacola, Quantico, or Annapolis. If you're a ROTC accession, you'll do it when you get to Pensacola. The only way you're going to get it done before you get down here is if you go out and get your PPL on your own dime (don't do this strictly for the sake of dodging IFS...you're wasting your money).
 
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