He almost made it.

[GroundPounder]

I have seen F18s on there several times in and out of Key West, which I assume was a mistake. You will see NASA T38s U2s and WB57s, NOAA P3s, and the occasional strange bird. If your interested, the best thing is to search by aircraft type and scroll down to the bottom for the rarer stuff.[/quote]

 

[PropAddict]

I requested a repo to be posted once and it popped up, so it def. Can be done, but I don't think the default is for mil flights to show up on there.

 

[HokiePilot]

I requested a repo to be posted once and it popped up, so it def. Can be done, but I don't think the default is for mil flights to show up on there.

BTE how did you request that? Might be nice when getting my parents to meet me on a cross country. Not that I fly IFR much.

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[PropAddict]

After i filed flight plan at base ops, I called 1800wxbrief and requested that it be entered into the system for public viewing. Briefer asked a few questions about the flight plan to verify I was who I said I was and he hooked it up.

 

[Gatordev]

After i filed flight plan at base ops, I called 1800wxbrief and requested that it be entered into the system for public viewing. Briefer asked a few questions about the flight plan to verify I was who I said I was and he hooked it up.

Wait, you mean the flight plan you entered at Base Ops actually made it into the system? Truly a miracle.

 

[Jim123]

Wait, you mean the flight plan you entered at Base Ops actually made it into the system? Truly a miracle.

Oh, if I had a nickel for every time that...

Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Maybe in the remarks I'll start trying, "Free beer for everyone at base ops if you file more than just my first leg."

 

[KBayDog]

Oh, if I had a nickel for every time that...

Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Maybe in the remarks I'll start trying, "Free beer for everyone at base ops if you file more than just my first leg."

What always gets me scratching my head is when they don't file the outbound leg, but when I get to my destination, the return leg (which I never asked for) is already somehow filed.

 

[Gatordev]

Jim and Kbay may already know this, but something that not everyone is aware of...

In speaking with FSS guys over time, especially when plans don't get sent over to the "real" system, I believe the main problem is the lack of consistency with how a real flight plan gets filed and how we do it in the military. The system can't handle multiple legs like we write on a -175. Instead, the way it actually deals with it is to have two (or multiple) flight plans. So when you put a terminal delay and then continue to your destination on a -175 (ie, the format you always have to look up in the GP), that's actually two flight plans, even though you write it as one. I'm pretty sure that the junior ACs don't really understand that and that's a big part of why things get lost. Then again, a lot of times I've seen where one simple VFR leg won't even make it in there, so...who knows.

One other thing to know is that all the crap you put on your -175 doesn't actually make it over to the FAA except the actual waypoints. Putting delays and circle-Rs and VOID times (yeah, I know we don't do that anymore) aren't ever seen on the FAA strip system that the controllers have. Basically it's a waste of time if you're going somewhere other than military.

I'm sure HAL has a lot more info on this, but this is what I've witnessed.

 

[CumminsPilot]

I'm pretty sure that the junior ACs don't really understand that and that's a big part of why things get lost. Then again, a lot of times I've seen where one simple VFR leg won't even make it in there, so...who knows.

I've gone to submitting a -175 for every leg...because it works. A while back I called Ops to verify they'd received my faxed over -175's, and PO Shmuckatelli decided to tell me how the system works and "there are multiple lines on the '-175 for a reason, Sir. You don't need to send every leg individually. That's why the lines are there." "So, PO, how many times have you sat in a running jet and tried to pick up your clearance, that wasn't in the system, because it was filed as a single plan that was closed out upon landing at a civilian field?" "None, Sir." "Amazing...file them individually." Clearance is always there when I call for it this way.

 

[Gatordev]

That reminds me of when I was a student in the HTs and the FWB system was just coming on line. I was trying to get a briefing and for some reason it kept saying there was an error on the section where you fill out the "DD-175" section. When I called over to Base Ops, some Chief answered and quickly told me my problem was that I wasn't putting a "K" in front of the identifiers. Afterall, that's how you fill out a DD-175, right!(!!!) He seemed very emotional about the subject. When I told him that's not how you actually fill out a -175, I'm not sure he appreciated that (I was very tactful) and told me to just fill out the FWB that way, again, somewhat emotionally.

I'm sure he felt he'd squared away some no nothing student when we hung up (afterall, it worked, right), but I'm not convinced he knew what I was talking about and all I wanted to do was know how to make FWB work. That was the first day I had ever used it and I think that was probably the first day I began to hate it...and why I choose not to participate in its use anymore.

 

[Pugs]

Wait, you mean the flight plan you entered at Base Ops actually made it into the system? Truly a miracle.

No kidding - got a nice escort home twice in my career from the USAF, F-15's out of Portland once and F-16's out of Atlantic City because Whidbey and Oceana couldn't figure out how to put in the ADIZ penetration stuff we carefully filled out.

 

[Harrier Dude]

FWB in and of itself isn't all that bad. It's the human element (NAVAIR) that fucks it all up. The fucktards that wrote the sections of OPNAV that deal with base ops are going to have to get with the times and admit that faxing in a signed DD-175 and having a LCpl hand jam it into the system is not the most efficient way to file flight plans.

But that's not the way we've always done it! Therefore it won't work.

If only there was a simpler way to do it. Perhaps some kind of interconnected system of "computers" that could process all of these requests and submit them directly to the FAAs "computers". Maybe we could even cross reference weather and NOTAMS to those plans? Huh.

http://www.fltplan.com.

 

[Gatordev]

FWB in and of itself isn't all that bad. It's the human element (NAVAIR) that fucks it all up. The fucktards that wrote the sections of OPNAV that deal with base ops are going to have to get with the times and admit that faxing in a signed DD-175 and having a LCpl hand jam it into the system is not the most efficient way to file flight plans.

But that's not the way we've always done it! Therefore it won't work.

If only there was a simpler way to do it. Perhaps some kind of interconnected system of "computers" that could process all of these requests and submit them directly to the FAAs "computers". Maybe we could even cross reference weather and NOTAMS to those plans? Huh.

http://www.fltplan.con

Or DUATS, which I notice isn't quite as 3710 friendly now as it was in Tango. Still legal, but it's written much more vaugely.

Two major problems I've had with FWB is a) actually getting on it and getting what I need (you have to request the brief before you actually brief as an aircrew to meet their two hour requirement) while dealing with NMCI and b) it not being remotely accurate.

 

[HAL Pilot]

I'm sure HAL has a lot more info on this, but this is what I've witnessed.

Flight plans? Aren't those something Dispatch does that magically appear in my FMS via ACARS?

When I had to stoop so low to file them myself, I just plugged everything into fltplan.com and they were always there when I needed them - as long as I asked clearance to extend them if I was more than 1+30 delayed.

 

[HokiePilot]

I was at the JMPS conference in Pt. Mugu last month and we had this exact discussion. All the pilots were saying we want to be able to sit down at one computer, build our flight, get NOTAMS, get a weather brief, print a 175 and file. The word we got back from -299 was we can't do that. JMPS has all sorts of stuff built in to get for example current / forecast winds to better plan a route, but I have never been able to get them to work.