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Flight Physicals

flyboy25

FlyBoy25
yukon180 said:
flyboy,

The flight physical in Pensacola is about 6 hours of poking and prodding, surrounded by 3 days of sitting and waiting. I just went last weekend and can answer your question of what to expect. Warning, long read:

I left for the airport Sunday at 8AM. I switched planes in Orlando and landed in Pensacola about an hour before our scheduled meet time. There were about 10 of us meeting there, all guys, from the 8th Marine Corps District and from the 1st Marine Corps District (my district). A 2nd Lt. and a Navy Corpsman (HM2) were meeting us at the airport. Everyone eventually arrived and we headed towards Naval Air Base Pensacola in our snazzy minivans.

We quickly received some bad news that we were staying in the BEQ (Bachelor Enlisted Quarters) as opposed to the BOQ (Bachelor Officers Quarters) where I thought we were staying. We were warned to not leave our rooms at night and to keep to ourselves. We stayed 3 to a room and shared the head with the adjoining room.

We dropped off our bags at the barracks and went out to Chili’s for our last meal. We wouldn’t be able to eat after 8PM for approximately 17 hours. We were advised by the Doc not eat anything too greasy or fried, for fear of throwing off our blood tests the next morning. I had a turkey sandwich with fries and a large caesar salad. After dinner the Lt. picked up 2 more guys from the airport while the rest of us went to sleep at the barracks.

We woke up around 5AM the next day and headed over to NAMI (Naval Operational Medicine Institute). We were handed a folder full of forms which we filled out for the next 30 minutes of so. The first day is when you do most of your exams, the next two days you basically sit around and wait for something to go wrong (for example, your chest x-ray came out fuzzy and they need to take another). As we sat in our chairs, we were sporadically called one at a time to different rooms in the building.

First up for me was the vision test. I was glad to get this over with first. For a future SNA (Student Naval Aviator) this is the most stressful part of the physical. First was the standard eye chart, except all 10 lines on the chart were for 20/20 vision. I was told to read the first line and I think the last line with one eye, then the other. The point of reading 2 out of 10 lines is to prevent people from memorizing lines on the chart. I read the chart with ease and was led into a room filled with various eye exam instruments. The next test was a depth perception test. You look into a small machine, which displays rows of 5 black circles, and are told to name the circle that appears closer to you then the others in the row. After the depth perception portion, I was shown two lines; one that looked like a staircase with different letters on each stair, another that intersected the stairs, and was told to name the stair the other line was intersecting at. Next was the color test. I sat in a chair about 10 feet from a machine that displayed 2 tiny colored lights, one above the other. The lights were red, white, or green, and changed when you named the colors correctly. After all the basic tests I was introduced to an actual eye doctor who sat me down in front of some lenses, and while shining a flashlight in my face inspected my eyes. A couple minutes later and I was told my “eyes looked great” and to sit back down in the waiting room.

A while later, a corpsman handed me two plastic vials, pointed in the direction of the bathroom and said, “you know what to do.” I returned, placed the vials in a rack, and was told to sit in a chair to have my blood drawn. 7 vials later and I was finished. Back to the waiting room.

Next was the hearing test. I was dreading this portion of the physical almost as much as the vision test. I was told to enter and take a seat in the soundproof chamber along with another candidate. Headphones are hanging on the wall in front of us, which we are instructed to place on our heads. Beeps come in groups of 3, when you hear the beeps, push the button on the remote connected to the wall. Sounds so simple you’re probably wondering why I don’t look forward to this exam. Imagine you’re sitting in this chamber and you’re hearing beeps and pushing the button when all of the sudden you stop hearing beeps; 5 seconds, 10 seconds, 20 seconds, and still no beeps. Imagine how nervous you get when you think the machine is beeping and you’re ears aren’t good enough to hear it. Every time I leave the chamber I think I’ve failed, only to later find out that I passed.

In the same part of the building as the hearing test is the x-ray room. For some reason they take an x-ray of your chest. You have to stand awkwardly close to a white plate mounted on the wall with your arms on your hips, pressing your upper body against the plate.

Next up was the talk and physical with the flight surgeon. In the beginning of the day one of the forms you filled out was a medical history form asking you to put a “yes” next to things that have happened in your life. For example, one question asks, “Have you ever had asthma?” If you have, you mark “yes.” The surgeon basically goes through your medical history and asks you about things that you marked “yes” next to. Expect to talk about broken bones, allergies, drugs, asthma, counseling, and anything else you put a “yes” next to. After the surgeon is satisfied with your answers, you are led into an examination room. The routine exam is administered, looking into your ears, listening to your heart, etc. Next the surgeon tests for testicular cancer and hernias. My surgeon was female, and was required to bring another male from the staff into the room while she performed the latter two tests.

After the surgeon I was given an EKG (Electrocardiogram) test. 10 or so sensors were taped to my chest, arms, and upper legs. The sensors were then connected to a big machine that records the small electric waves generated by the heart and is used to diagnose heart conditions.

Down the hall from the EKG was the Anthro room. I was measured and weighed and then asked to sit in a strange looking chair. The chair is used to accurately measure candidates to see whether they’ll fit into the cockpits of various planes and helicopters.

Last on my list was to see the dentist. The dentist was located in an entirely separate building on base. I wasn’t nervous about it at all since I had made sure my teeth were in good condition just a few months before. After an x-ray tech took 3 x-rays, the dentist looked at my teeth for all of 5 minutes. 15 minutes later I was on my way back to the waiting room to join the others. We met up with the others and headed over to the Naval Aviation Museum to grab some lunch. I had nachos and a cheesesteak. After lunch we went back to NAMI and spent the rest of the day sitting around reading magazines. At around 4 we finally left and headed back to the barracks. The Doc asked us if we wanted to do some PT, which we all agreed was a great idea. We changed into PT gear, and made our way to the trails. We ran about 4 miles on a wood-chip trail, as planes flew over our heads.

That night we went to Maguire’s, the “best Irish restaurant in Pensacola” according to the Doc. A couple other candidates and I got some liters of beer as we waited for our 14-person table to be set up. The food was really good and the beer tasted great. At 10 we headed back to the base barracks to get some sleep.

At 6AM we made our way back to NAMI for another entire day of sitting around waiting. A few people had to redo their blood tests, a couple had to have their heads x-rayed because of allergies, and one even had to go to the hospital to have his knee looked at by a specialist.

For lunch we went back to the Naval Aviation Museum, but this time got an hour and a half to walk around and check out all of the planes. It was pretty funny seeing a bunch of college graduates running around pointing and climbing on things. We were like kids in a candy store.

After the museum, we went back to NAMI where we sat for the rest of the day. When asked where we wanted to get dinner, a bunch of us were in the mood for seafood, so we went to Crabs. The meal was going fine up until two candidates went at it and glasses of water started being thrown. We left soon after.

The next day was the same thing, but this time we got breakfast beforehand. We got some IHOP, I had the stuffed french toast, and 3 cups of coffee. That afternoon I received the good news from the Doc that I had been physically qualified and that I was good to go. Nobody was outright NPQ’d (not physically qualified) which was a good thing.

We went back to the barracks where we packed our bags and returned our linens. The accommodations were fine, except for the constant 50-degree room temperature. We ended up putting a suitcase in front of the vent after the first night in an attempt to avoid hypothermia.

At the airport we were told to see if we could get on an earlier flight. I was first in line and was fortunate to get the only seat on the earlier flight that was scheduled to leave two hours before the other. I said my goodbyes, boarded the plane, and got back into Boston a little after 10PM.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
yukon180,

Thanks for your thourough reply. I really appreciate it. In other words, it's a pretty stressful ordeal.....good to know. I do have another Q. I've already had blood work and urinalysis done at my MEPS physical. Would I be able to skip those parts at P'cola or do they redo everyone no matter is they had a MEPS or not?
I also see you are 191 select, I am as well, pendind waivers (knee) and selection of coarse. Thanks again.
 

openbah

I'm not lazy, I'm disabled.
DocT said:
What the hell is that all about? Two of the candidates in your group couldn't handle getting flight physicals together without losing their bearing? They'll have a great time at OCS if eating at Crabs gets them hot enough to throw stuff at eachother.
Tell me about it. One candidate put hot sauce in the drink of another candidate when we were getting ready to leave. The other candidate dripped water down the back of the other, and things escalated from there. A few full glasses of water were thrown, I got pretty soaked. The rest of us were pretty embarassed. :icon_rage
 

openbah

I'm not lazy, I'm disabled.
flyboy25 said:
I've already had blood work and urinalysis done at my MEPS physical. Would I be able to skip those parts at P'cola or do they redo everyone no matter is they had a MEPS or not? I also see you are 191 select, I am as well, pendind waivers (knee) and selection of coarse. Thanks again.
Most of us had already done MEPS. At the flight physical you will do everything again (sweet!). The only thing I didn't have to do again was have my cycloplegic eye exam (the one where they dialate your eyes) because I recently had it done, and they accepted it. Good luck getting into 191. Any other questions that I can answer let me know.
 

openbah

I'm not lazy, I'm disabled.
Just wanted to add that you should be reimbursed for money you spend during your flight physical. I got a check for $76.30 1.5 weeks after I submitted my travel claim with my OSO. Didn't have to turn in receipts, it was just a regular per diem deal.
 

outlawz2323

Registered User
Everything in this person's post is right on. I just went to pensacola to have this flight physical done and this was more or less what all of us went through. This is the flight physical for candidates who were done with OCS, and were just waiting to graduate and pick up their comission.

On an additional note, for those guys who don't have 20/20, don't sweat it. I knew going in that I didn't have 20/20, (I have 20/25, 20/30) and everything was fine. they have a chart next to the 20/20 chart which is the the 20/40 chart which you need to be able to read to qualify. the 20/40 chart looked pretty easy to read as the letters were HUGE. So if you know you got at least 20/40, I wouldn't worry about it. i know its hard not to stress (I was pretty stressed myself until I saw the charts), but if you just relax, you'll be fine. the staff is very professional and freindly to help you along the way. Good luck to anyone thats going.
 

samadma

OCC-169 Grad
i just asked my oso about getting a flight physical done and he said i would have to fly down to pensacola to be eval'd by a flight surgeon there.. that sounds like an awful long trip for a flight physical...can this be right?

PS im in NY if that makes any difference


Your OSO wants to send you down to Pensacola for one of two reasons:

1) There's a test program that starting up to send ALL Marine Corps flight applicants to Pensacola, FL for now on for ALL flight physicals. You might be apart of the test to see how flying applicants directly down there works out.

2) That's just the standard way that your OSO does business.

Going down to Pensacola is a plus because if NOMI says you're qualified, then you have the official word because they qualify all aviators. There are other facilities you can go to like NAS in Willow Grove, PA. However, your OSO might not want to drive you down there to do it. I hope that helps.
 

mmx1

Woof!
pilot
Contributor
Well, holy thread resurrection, I'm going in for my flight physical this week (finally, took BUMED a while to clear me to reapply) at NAS Willow Grove in PA (I'm out of OSO Manhattan). So either the pilot program's over, or my office just didn't elect to do it for me. No biggie, I'm a retread(NPQ from 189) so I don't need the moto peek at the planes, and a 1-day trip instead of 3 works for me as I'd have to call out from work.
 

ip568

Registered User
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Unfortunately, naval aviation medicine will be the bane of your existance. It is a system designed in the 1930s and never meaningfully updated. You will develop an adversarial relationship with the flight surgeon, whose role seems to be to find some way to ground you. It will ground you periodically throughout your naval career for reasons varying from minor to psychotic and it will be your responsibility to prove they are wrong. You will be so nervous before a flight physical that your BP will leap up, at which point you will be grounded for high BP. You will be grounded for ear wax (I am not making this up). I wish this was not the case, but it was during my flying days. I never understood why the military does this to fliers.
 

zab1001

Well-Known Member
pilot
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On the flip side, both flight surgeons I had in my last squadron were fvcking awesome and bent over backward to keep everyone med up.
 

tougs9

Registered User
Are you in the pipeline after your pre-TBS physical or post TBS physical? The reason I ask is because I had some hearing loss with the higher frequencies, is this something to worry about?
 

Rebel652

New Member
pilot
ip568 said:
You will be so nervous before a flight physical that your BP will leap up, at which point you will be grounded for high BP.

After looking through a few other threads this seems to be a pretty common problem with SNAs. I know I have high BP whenever I get tested. Has anybody heard of SNAs getting dropped for high BP or do the Docs help you out - like say holding your arm up b/c it will give a lower reading.
 

Carno

Insane
Rebel652 said:
After looking through a few other threads this seems to be a pretty common problem with SNAs. I know I have high BP whenever I get tested. Has anybody heard of SNAs getting dropped for high BP or do the Docs help you out - like say holding your arm up b/c it will give a lower reading.
This happened to me when I went to NAS Jax for my physical. Doc asked me if I was nervous about my physical and I told him I was, and he said that was probably the cause of the high BP. We waited a few minutes and although my BP was still a little higher than it usually was, it was okay. The doctor said he saw it a lot and it was pretty normal.
 

mmx1

Woof!
pilot
Contributor
Whoo, that was a fun 12 hours. Get up at 0300, wait in a dark parking lot in hells kitchen for Gunny to show up (I shouldn't gripe; at least I got to sleep in the car), then get the MEPS experience all over again. Still, it was short and I got back at 1400. Test was only six hours or so, from 0700 to 1300, so I don't really see the point in going to pensacola, especially as once you get the cyclo you might as well hit the rack because you're bloody useless for anything else.

It's a pretty standard battery of tests; HM's gather all the data, then you get screened by a dentist and a flight doc. They had to retake my EKG's a few times but it all worked out. Dentist was nice enough to warn me I'd probably have my wisdom teeth taken out upon entering active duty ..... just to be on the safe side. Really looking forward to that.

Ended the day with the cyclo eye exam, which was probably the worst part. I'd had it done before for PLC at a civilian clinic in NYC 2-3 drops, take the test, wobble around a bit in the light - fast, easy, and I was fine a few hours later. This guy gave us 6 or 7 drops, and by the end I couldn't see anything closer than a meter from my face. Morning after, I was still having trouble reading.

Whoo, fun. Signed a few credit card receipts knowing that if it said $10,000 I wouldn't have known the difference. Also hopped on the wrong train on the way home.
 
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