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Entire Hornet and Rhino demo from a helmet cam, no music, editing, etc.
- Thread starter Flying Toaster
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A lot of guys wait until marshal or taxi to strap in because you're usually waiting for wingmen to marshal, or you're not doing much on the taxi out. It's more efficient.
That being said, I don't do it. I used to (because I saw a lot of IPs doing it) until one day I was taxiing into the line and went to unstrap and my uppers were already disconnected. I had forgotten to attach them before takeoff. That really scared me. Since then I strap in completely as soon as I climb into the jet, and I physically tug on my uppers and run my hand over the seat arm lever multiple times before taking the runway.
I wonder if I can get my T-6 IPs to buy this one... or maybe I'll just strap in like they tell me too.
Did that one time with a gunner's belt in the helo. Didn't notice I wasn't wearing it until I was doing some practice hoisting. Last time I ever forgot to wear it though...
I don't know how it is for hornets, but I imagine if the canopy is open you aren't going to be ejecting anyway. When I open the canopy I unstrap.
First thing I do after I check the seat being safe, master arm safe and hop in is attach my gsuit and comm cords. Step 2 is strap in. It really doesn't take up much time, and it sure beats forgetting it in a rush to get to marshall while doing t/o checks on the roll, getting a flight check-in, alpha check, switching to tower and listening to our t/o clearance all pretty much at the same time. I do unstrap almost as soon as I'm cleared of the rwy and my seat is safed, but at that point, I can afford to forget to unstrap.....I'll remember it when I try to stand up. I know too many stories about guys flying entire flights without koch fittings attached and other dangerous tomfoolery for this very reason, to bet my life on remembering it every time. But if it works for others to strap in at marshall, then I don't see anything wrong with it.....just wouldn't work for me. That and you have to be strapped in at the boat as soon as they get ready to break you down (or break you up is it? 
)......and as rushed as those starts are, I know I'd forget it in that environment if it wasn't in my habit pattern at a time when I wasn't likely to forget doing it. Just my .02
)......and as rushed as those starts are, I know I'd forget it in that environment if it wasn't in my habit pattern at a time when I wasn't likely to forget doing it. Just my .02
RadicalDude
Social Justice Warlord
NACES aircraft have a safe/arm handle, so the seat can be safed with the pin out. T-6 doesn't to my recollection, so if the pin's out it's live and ya oughta be strapped in.
I wouldn't say that waiting until taxi to strap in is standard. I always begin strapping in prior to start up, and then finish while I'm waiting on the APU. I won't ever taxi without being strapped in. You can't taxi on the boat without being armed up. No reason to change it once home.
Always hooked everything up prior to APU but the uppers, just easier to move around and jam all my shit in the nooks and crannies to build my nest. Once the APU is spinning I hooked my uppers. Only took one time taking off out of the NOG in Krock, in the T-45 and realizing I was more comfortable than normal, and then giving myself the biggest and scariest facepalm of my life when I discovered my upper koch's flapping around. F*ck me.
they must have turned off the camera before doing their night touch-n-go's at PNS....
Sorry, couldn't help it
Sorry, couldn't help it
they must have turned off the camera before doing their night touch-n-go's at PNS....
Sorry, couldn't help it
Is it time to merge the threads?
Another solution to the "can't move around in the cockpit strapped in" issue, at least from the GRU-EA7 crowd. I strap in but leave my lap belts slack until the taxi. Pulling out of chocks, call to ground, and snug my lap belts down during the first part of before takeoff checks prior to arming up. Crossing hold-short, gloves go on, another quick tug on the lap belts, then two leg wiggles, an attempted scootch in the seat, and a quick lean forward double-verifies I'm strapped in six ways. Which I should be since I called it over ICS on arming the seats . . . 
I find this gives me enough room for futzing around during startup, getting kneeboard out of navbag, checking CBs, etc.
I find this gives me enough room for futzing around during startup, getting kneeboard out of navbag, checking CBs, etc.
^ and almost guarantees you wont get going with the seat still pinned
Correct, no safe/arm handle in the T-6. I believe they changed the SOP right around the time that I completed primary to shift pin removal to the hold short (might be run up, again this was right after I left VT-3) rather than in the line area like we did when I went through. On one solo I was taxing to the run up and the way I was sitting on my harness was really uncomfortable so I reached down and proceeded to tug on the straps to adjust it. The hair on the back of my next stood up as I realized I was reaching between my legs to tug on straps without truly paying attention to what I was tugging on or how I was doing it. I immediately stopped, taxied to the run up, pinned the seat, adjusted, unpinned, and continued. Easily one of the stupidest things I've ever done. Obviously seat safety is no joke, and this was my wake up call as C420 had his above.
