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Early Frocking - Good or Bad?
- Thread starter virtu050
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No. No. No. See its not about shirking responsibility. I hope you would recognize that the folks (most of the folks) on this website don't do that. The point is that the O-4 thing is going to happen soon enough and before you know it you're going to be getting kicked in the face by the front office and catching spears in the back from JOPA - you will be the guy that has no (or few) vertical friendships - why rush that? Call it a cultural or generational thing but I'm highly suspect of guys who are in a hurry to put on the rusty oak leaves. My experience has been that the guys who sucked at being LTs are the ones in the biggest hurry to be LCDRs. I am NOT saying this is the case with the OP as I don't know him - however I would still encourage him to ask hard questions about what getting frocked (potentially, instruction permitting) is really going to buy him.
/Standing in corner hemming and hawing/
How did you interpret this as hemming and hawing:
OP said:
The guy is just asking what the implications will be WRT FITREPS and career timing - a completely legit question. Everybody simmer the fuck down.
Based on my experience in the joint world, this is very true. If everyone meets you as an O-4, you will be taken more seriously than if they meet you as an O-3 even though you later pin on O-4.
Crud...I'm an idiot. You and the others are obviously correct...took me THREE reads of the OP for the light to come on. Don't suppose you could do me a favor and just delete my earlier drivel just so's I don't keep showing my ass on this thread.
Agreed - we had a USAF an O-3 (who was selected for O-4) in the major joint command that I am at - no change in how he was treated - he was still just a lowly action officer.....
Virtu: I owe you a great big fat "dumb ass" apology for completely misunderstanding your original question and then creating a maelstrom of crap that was totally unresponsive to your situation. Sorry.
That said...congrats on the selection for O-4 (I hope you regard it as the big deal it is...), and congrats, as well, on being highly enough regarded to be offered a "frocking/spot promotion billet". Seems the Bureau folks think you can weather a new competitive category (or maybe a 1 0f 1) before DH screen, and hopefully the smarter folks who all gave good advice above have set your mind at ease. Onward and upward!
Best regards, R1
Jim Davis
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Ask yourself this..Would you have rather been passed over Peter Pan? We didn't put so much thought into it. It was a reason to party in the PI. Oh wait, we never needed a reason to party in the PI. It is a sign that you are growing up. It is the respect without the responsibility. It is a good thing. Just think, all of your friends will have to salute you and call you sir. and the joke is on them because you make the same as them.
"We can't bust heads like we used to. But we have our ways. One trick is to tell stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m'shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt. Which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..."
