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Disassociated Sea-Tour
- Thread starter 1rotorhead
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So being the safety officer/ mini-boss on an amphib helps me do that? I have a bunch of friends who are in their tour who would disagree.
Then they are narrow minded and short sighted. If they didn't take full advantage of being part of ship's company to learn all they could about surface warfare and amphibious operations then they wasted their time and just "punched the ticket."
I am right with rotorhead. Explain to me how a tour as a DivO on a ship makes me a better officer. It's not like you didn't have a chance to be a Divo in your squadron. Let's face it -- this was sold to the aviation community years ago as a "good deal" because the shoes couldn't fill their billets. That's how we got involved. They have started to take a bunch of those billets back. For those that have drank the cool aid -- they are in knife fights to get those billets.
The only billets that are truly going to broaden you are the staff jobs, being an aide, or working in some sort of Joint job. Unfortunately, there aren't too many joint jobs around. I hate to say this, but you will get a lot more "broadening" out of a 3 month IA in Qatar in the CAOC than you would during a 2 year ship tour.
What is more absurd -- is that one of the board "tiebrakers" on our record is the OOD letter. Never mind that an OOD letter is like making HAC in the other two branches of service.
My last couple of skippers never left the cockpit as well. Two of them had over 5000 flight hours. However, the Navy is moving away from that concept. What Brett said really rings true. I'm already seeing it, with at least one O-4 I know not making O-5 for not leaving the cockpit.
I once heard that if you manage to get your OOD qual as a JO you dont have to do a Dis. Sea tour. I also heard that you dis. sea tour basically ends right after you get your OOD qual, so the harder you work at it the sooner its over.
Is there any truth to either of these statements?
Is there any truth to either of these statements?
You're funny.
What did you do for your disassociated tour?
The stud gets it right over some of the saltier, more bitter guys.
It's not about VP guys going to sea, or punishment for aviators, people, and it's not about driving boats either. Breadth of experience. Having spent time on on a CAG or CSSG admiral's staff gets you in tune with the bigger picture, making you a better aviator, DH and CO. In my experience, one of the biggest differences between a JO who "gets it" and one who doesn't, is an ability to see and appreciate the bigger picture issues which drive policy and the things we do.
Brett
Yeah, but I don't know how many Skippers/XOs in the VFA community aren't patch-wearers. It's kind of a weird paradox... being an SFTI is almost mandatory for higher promotion... but yet if you do that, you skip the dissociated sea tour for a TrainingO tour. And the dissociated tour is meant to "broaden your horizons" for when you become an O-5/O-6??
MasterBates
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The SWTI mafia is starting to roll in for CO/XO tours here as well. It is the "new hotness" for making CO in LAMPS.
But, we have a great DH screen rate, and a crappy DH to CO screen rate.
But, we have a great DH screen rate, and a crappy DH to CO screen rate.
There are cases in each platform for people that will not have a Disassociated Sea Tour. I will not have one because of being a Super JO Viking to COD transition guy. I know also know guys that went from shore tour to DH tour but that was because of the T-Notch. Like was said earlier, a bunch of the shipboard jobs are being taken back from the aviators too. I know that some CVN's are putting Master Chiefs into jobs like Hangar Deck O, etc.
On the flip side, everyone I have ever met who did a shooter tour said it was the most rewarding tour they ever had.
On the flip side, everyone I have ever met who did a shooter tour said it was the most rewarding tour they ever had.
This is like the IA thread all over. A bunch of people don't want to do it, so they ***** about not wanting to do it. There's a bunch of reasoning on why they shouldn't have to do it (and some of it makes a lot of sense), but guess what, in the end, many communities have to do it.
Bingo. I've heard the same thing. It's not something I really want to do, but I bet I'd get a lot out of it. I equate this to my own small little world. I didn't really want to be a Det Maint. O. Way too much responsibility and lots of work, especially for someone who is primarily "only a pilot." In the end, I absolutely revel in the experience. There was a lot about it that sucked (mostly just due to a local set of problems), but I got so much out of it. Oh, and this "pilot," still managed to get his hour milestones and get the quals. Okay, enough w/ the soapbox.
Bingo. I've heard the same thing. It's not something I really want to do, but I bet I'd get a lot out of it. I equate this to my own small little world. I didn't really want to be a Det Maint. O. Way too much responsibility and lots of work, especially for someone who is primarily "only a pilot." In the end, I absolutely revel in the experience. There was a lot about it that sucked (mostly just due to a local set of problems), but I got so much out of it. Oh, and this "pilot," still managed to get his hour milestones and get the quals. Okay, enough w/ the soapbox.
Do aviators ever get their SWO pin? I thought I remembered reading a story about an admiral that was the first to ever earn three warfare pins, I could have been mistaken though.