NEWS China's CV is getting real.

[Flash]

From one perspective it is fascinating to see them start their program from scratch, obviously emulating us as much as they can down to the colored jerseys. On the other I think it is just a hint of the long-term threat we will face from the subsequent carriers the Chinese will operate.

 

[Uncle Fester]

From one perspective it is fascinating to see them start their program from scratch, obviously emulating us as much as they can down to the colored jerseys. On the other I think it is just a hint of the long-term threat we will face from the subsequent carriers the Chinese will operate.

The Chinese method for pretty much everything is to start with an exact copy of whatever it is - technology, techniques, procedures - and then refine or customize it based on their needs, and what they discover during their testing and development. They don't reinvent the wheel if they don't have to. With a decades-successful US/UK/French CATOBAR CV model, plus whatever they bought or stole from the Russians and Ukrainians as part of buying the now-Liaoning, to copy, they don't have to.

 

[Flash]

The Chinese method for pretty much everything is to start with an exact copy of whatever it is - technology, techniques, procedures - and then refine or customize it based on their needs, and what they discover during their testing and development. They don't reinvent the wheel if they don't have to. With a decades-successful US/UK/French CATOBAR CV model, plus whatever they bought or stole from the Russians and Ukrainians as part of buying the now-Liaoning, to copy, they don't have to.

Yes, what I meant was actual ops. But you are pretty spot on with your description for many things, they are doing plenty else on their own now too though.

In other news, they just announced they are building their own carrier now.

 

[RobLyman]

I have to admit, that's one hell of a conference table. I bet that they're required to use coasters.

...and binoculars. Holy cow that is a long table.

 

[wiseguy04]

All fine and good, but... do they log their drills in CV Sharp? If not, they didn't happen!!! And their readiness sucks!!!

 

[Hair Warrior]

Does anyone know if China tried to buy France's two ex-Russian Mistral helo carriers?

That would have been a bargain and a force multiplier, coupled with the Liaoning. Game changer for the SCS.

France ended up selling to India - no friend of China - but I wonder if China made an offer.

 

[Flash]

Does anyone know if China tried to buy France's two ex-Russian Mistral helo carriers?

They can't, the EU has an arms embargo for China that was put into effect after the Tiananmen Square massacre.

France ended up selling to India - no friend of China - but I wonder if China made an offer.

They actually sold them to Egypt of all places.

 

[Hair Warrior]

They actually sold them to Egypt of all places.

I stand corrected!

 

[Randy Daytona]

They actually sold them to Egypt of all places.

Egypt just purchased 46 Alligator naval attack helos from Russia for their carriers - good looking machine.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ian-navy-with-46-ka-52k-helicopters/78182410/

 

[jmcquate]

Egypt just purchased 46 Alligator naval attack helos from Russia for their carriers - good looking machine.

Who thought it was a good idea to sell Egypt a small deck and attack helicopters?!? Who is an Egyptian naval threat besides NATO (meaning us).

 

[Hair Warrior]

Who is an Egyptian naval threat besides NATO (meaning us).

Mostly to protect the Suez Canal, I bet. Maybe also to deter Iran, Israel, AQIM, Palestinian factions in Gaza/Sinai, and/or internal dissidents.

 

[jmcquate]

Mostly to protect the Suez Canal, I bet. Maybe also to deter Iran, Israel, AQIM, Palestinian factions in Gaza/Sinai, and/or internal dissidents.

Suez is fine, we protect that ditch. All the others you listed don't have navy's (littoral does'nt count).

 

[Gatordev]

Egypt has long been an ally and have bought lots of our gear and have continued to receive U.S. training support (for their fleet, not TRACOM), even after the Arab Spring.

 

[Hair Warrior]

Suez is fine, we protect that ditch. All the others you listed don't have navy's (littoral does'nt count).

Just because they don't have navies doesn't mean they don't have targets for helo-launched AGMs. Egypt saw what happened to the government in Yemen (even with the backing of U.S./Saudi air support). The two Mistrals are perfect for parking offshore in the Red Sea or Med, and doing power projection inland.

 

[jmcquate]

I understand that Gator. What I'm not getting is how this capability enhances our military relationship. The Egyptian military has been used for internal control (and commercial enterprises) since the 72' war.