Budget Cuts and Flight/Simulator Training

[Aquonox]

From the National Defense Magazine:

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine....uldSpurMilitarySpendingonVirtualTraining.aspx

I doubt that this potential path with regards to budget cuts surprises anyone, but I thought it would be interesting to see the numbers concerning cost savings and the increase in simulator time (and decrease in flight time) for various communities in the Navy and Air Force.

 

[CommodoreMid]

If I were CAE, I wouldn't be touting the P-8 simulators at the moment...

 

[Brett327]

This has been talked about for years. The article lumps all "training" into one big groups and fails to distinguish between TRACOM/RAG type training (which is SIM intensive) and fleet type training (which isn't). This has the effect of overstating the impact that an increased reliance on SIM vs actual flight time for your various fleet currency requirements. People in the NAE (from the Air Boss on down) are fighting this movement.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[MIDNJAC]

I wonder if being in the red block at a merge with a sim red air will be a TR violation.....

 

[SynixMan]

I'm seeing exactly what Brett is talking about. Our 60 sim is great for EP/FAM/BI/RI stuff, as well as all the switchology of the tactical stuff. Beyond that, I'd want to be flying.

 

[Brett327]

I know the newer Hornet/Rhino/Growler sims can be linked up, etc, etc. Out of curiosity, I would imagine they would be good for BVR stuff and working various employment timelines, but relatively "low-fidelity" in the WVR regime. Any pointy-nosed guys care to chime in?

 

[MIDNJAC]

I know the newer Hornet/Rhino/Growler sims can be linked up, etc, etc. Out of curiosity, I would imagine they would be good for BVR stuff and working various employment timelines, but relatively "low-fidelity" in the WVR regime. Any pointy-nosed guys care to chime in?

That is a pretty realistic assessment. IMHO the biggest problem with the sim is that it goes just how you planned, everyone's systems are 4.0, and there isn't a continual comm jam from bad AIC or GK/Beaver having conversations on guard.

 

[squorch2]

All that can be simulated, but it takes effort from the sim guys. Yeahhhhh.

 

[xj220]

All that can be simulated, but it takes effort from the sim guys. Yeahhhhh.

Along with what synix was saying, and I think that's what they're mainly for. I agree though, you can't get that level of realism in the sim. There are things you can do in the sim though you can't do in the plane (odd systems malfunctions, bus losses, intense wx, etc). Each has it's own advantage and disadvantage.

 

[squorch2]

It doesn't take much, either - throw in a system degradation or, hell, an EA environment, and see where the mission goes. But you rarely see that stuff outside of EP sims.

 

[MIDNJAC]

Along with what synix was saying, and I think that's what they're mainly for. I agree though, you can't get that level of realism in the sim. There are things you can do in the sim though you can't do in the plane (odd systems malfunctions, bus losses, intense wx, etc). Each has it's own advantage and disadvantage.

The sim is a great tool for simulating emergencies (a good reason we do NATOPS and INST checks in the sim in my community), but it is not good at simulating the smells and the noises and those other intangibles of actually flying the jet tactically. It's good for building the muscle memory and some rote procedural stuff, but you don't get good at tactics by not flying.

 

[xj220]

If I were CAE, I wouldn't be touting the P-8 simulators at the moment...

What's your experience with the P-8 sims and overall transition? Just as many issues as the tort?

Sorry for a negative rep, fat fingered on my iPhone.

 

[xj220]

I agr

The sim is a great tool for simulating emergencies (a good reason we do NATOPS and INST checks in the sim in my community), but it is not good at simulating the smells and the noises and those other intangibles of actually flying the jet tactically. It's good for building the muscle memory and some rote procedural stuff, but you don't get good at tactics by not flying.

I agree, the sims will never handle like the plane and you miss that seat of the pants feel. A balance of sims/flights is the best way to do it, the question is, what's the right ratio?

 

[Harrier Dude]

Sorry for a negative rep, fat fingered on my iPhone.

How do you give rep on the iPhone? Is that on the full site? Or are you using tapatalk?

Tapatalk won't let me do it anymore.

 

[HAL Pilot]

Sorry for a negative rep, fat fingered on my iPhone.

There is an undo button.