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Air Force v.s. Navy Culture Differences

Gatordev

Gatordev

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kmac said:
Continuous Descent Final Approach. I’ve talked to folks at Kingsville and Vance… the tactical guys are still teaching “dive and drive” (although not as extreme as CDFA advocates like to think).
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Continuous descent is what I've been taught under Part 135, as well. Depending on the instructor, it might be a debrief point on a check ride if I hit the MDA "too soon."

kmac said:
The fleet of Challenger aircraft are actually FAA birds. The flight check team consists of both former/active Air Force pilots and civilians. They work for both the USAF and FAA (and “wear” whichever hat is needed for the mission).
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I wasn't clear from your post...do they only do AF bases? I know the Navy bases also have their systems checked regularly by a third party. When I've been at Base Ops meetings, they've referred to the party as "the FAA."
 
kmac

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Gatordev said:
Continuous descent is what I've been taught under Part 135, as well. Depending on the instructor, it might be a debrief point on a check ride if I hit the MDA "too soon."
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It’s not clear (no pun intended) if DoD is going to follow visibility penalties for not flying CDFA within certain countries. The only pilots that show up at these working groups are from AIS (that Chuck just went to). The other participants have varying degrees of understanding toward the piloting aspects of instrument procedures. They all come from the ATC world.
Gatordev said:
I wasn't clear from your post...do they only do AF bases? I know the Navy bases also have their systems checked regularly by a third party. When I've been at Base Ops meetings, they've referred to the party as "the FAA."
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They do all of DoD. One of the weird aspects is how “the world” is divided up amongst the services. The USA might be responsible for flight procedures at a field primarily used by USAF. Or, for example, Antarctic procedures are designed by NAVFIG, flight checked by the FAA, and flown by USAF only (as far as US military goes).
 
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ChuckMK23

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Commander of Air Mobility Command breaks the internet:

“Run deliberately, not recklessly,” he writes, but later adds, “If you are comfortable in your approach to training, then you are not taking enough risk.”

NBC News: Air Force general predicts war with China in 2025, tells officers to get ready.

www.nbcnews.com

U.S. general predicts war with China in 2025, tells officers to get ready

“I hope I am wrong. My gut tells me will fight in 2025," said Gen. Mike Minihan in a memo sent to the officers he commands and obtained by NBC News.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
insanebikerboy

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ChuckMK23 said:
Commander of Air Mobility Command breaks the internet:

“Run deliberately, not recklessly,” he writes, but later adds, “If you are comfortable in your approach to training, then you are not taking enough risk.”

NBC News: Air Force general predicts war with China in 2025, tells officers to get ready.

www.nbcnews.com

U.S. general predicts war with China in 2025, tells officers to get ready

“I hope I am wrong. My gut tells me will fight in 2025," said Gen. Mike Minihan in a memo sent to the officers he commands and obtained by NBC News.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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I guess there’s irony to be found in telling the Air Force MAJCOM most like the airlines that they need to develop a warrior mindset, much less to engage with a ‘clip’. I guess I’m being cynical but I find it hard to take Mini seriously when he can’t even use the correct weapons terminology. There is a lot of institutional inertia to overcome to get MAF into a ‘warfighter’ mindset.

Is he right? Only time will tell.
 
Raymero

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HuggyU2 said:
Ok ok... let the Air Force guy post it for you...

"Young Man,

Congratulations on your selection to both the Naval and Air Force Academies. Your goal of becoming a fighter pilot is impressive and a fine way to serve your country. As you requested, I'd be happy to share some insight into which service would be the best choice. Each service has a distinctly different culture. You need to ask yourself "Which one am I more likely to thrive in?"

USAF Snapshot: The USAF is exceptionally well organized and well run. Their training programs are terrific. All pilots are groomed to meet high standards for knowledge and professionalism. Their aircraft are top-notch and extremely well maintained. Their facilities are excellent. Their enlisted personnel are the brightest and the best trained. The USAF is homogenous and macro. No matter where you go, you'll know what to expect, what is expected of you, and you'll be given the training & tools you need to meet those expectations. You will never be put in a situation over your head. Over a 20-year career, you will be home for most important family events. Your Mom would want you to be an Air Force pilot...so would your wife. Your Dad would want your sister to marry one.

Navy Snapshot: Aviators are part of the Navy, but so are Black shoes (surface warfare) and bubble heads (submariners). Furthermore, the Navy is split into two distinctly different Fleets (West and East Coast). The Navy is heterogeneous and micro. Your squadron is your home; it may be great, average, or awful. A squadron can go from one extreme to the other before you know it. You will spend months preparing for cruise and months on cruise. The quality of the aircraft varies directly with the availability of parts. Senior Navy enlisted are salt of the earth; you'll be proud if you earn their respect. Junior enlisted vary from terrific to the troubled kid the judge made join the service. You will be given the opportunity to lead these people during your career; you will be humbled and get your hands dirty. The quality of your training will vary and sometimes you will be over your head. You will miss many important family events. There will be long stretches of tedious duty aboard ship. You will fly in very bad weather and/or at night and you will be scared many times. You will fly with legends in the Navy and they will kick your ass until you become a lethal force. And some days - when the scheduling Gods have smiled upon you - your jet will catapult into a glorious morning over a far-away sea and you will be drop-jawed that someone would pay you to do it. The hottest girl in the bar wants to meet the Naval Aviator. That bar is in Singapore.

Bottom line, son, if you gotta ask...pack warm & good luck in Colorado.

Banzai

PS Air Force pilots wear scarves and iron their flight suits."


Just remember.... there is a 50+% chance that the hottest girl in the bar in Singapore is actually a guy.
Not the case in the Nellis O'Club.
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No shit. Out for the night on Bougis Street I went into a street side head to clear space for more beer. Nice looking chick came in while I was busy. Surprise, Surprise. It sidled up to one of the urinals and it started to make space for more beers too.
 
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