I remember hearing that...although I am quite certain that 5.56 cases are thicker, allowing for less powder to be placed in the case. IOW, the powder charge in a 5.56 case should be adjusted downward a bit in comparison to .223.
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Feinstein to introduce AWB in January
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I remember hearing that...although I am quite certain that 5.56 cases are thicker, allowing for less powder to be placed in the case. IOW, the powder charge in a 5.56 case should be adjusted downward a bit in comparison to .223.
I'll believe it when I (don't) see it. Body of the article really doesn't match the headline. What if the Biden commission comes up with something draconian?
My main worry is that the NRA seems to be hell-bent on completely F-ing this away. What happened happened because of an individual with serious mental issues. They should be talking about that. How vital it is to secure your own weapons, and keep those who can't buy guns from getting them. Not putting armed guards in schools. John Q Public is freaked the F out about guns right now, and that response, though worth discussion, is totally tone-deaf. Ditto for skipping out on the Biden Commission. I don't care if it's staffed with the Brady people or the frigging cast of Jersey Shore. Go and publicly be a part of it. Then, if something ridiculous comes out of it, scream, stamp your feet, and say "it wasn't our idea."
Please do. Is reloading significantly cheaper? I'm interested in starting to reload all my 45 and 5.56 ammo.
Shooters?
LaPierre is too much of an idealogue to even effectively explain his own position. It was painful to watch him on MTP today. There are some people making some very logical and well articulated arguments out there opposing new gun control measures. Time for the NRA to retool their PR division.
MasterBates
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My current cost of a box of 50 230 grain 45ACP loads is $7 or so. Granted, I use lead vice plated or jacketed bullets. Even then, it would still be $12 at most (barring current insane prices)
1 pound of Bullseye is 7000 grains. Costs $20. About 5 grains per load
1000 primers is $36
500 Rainer plated bullets is $80 so $0.16 per bullet
100 Speer Gold Dot is $32 so $0.32 per bullet
500 Lead is $74 so $0.15 per bullet
$0.014 Powder
$0.036 Primer
$0.15 Bullet (lead, you can find cheaper prices at times and buy in bulk)
$0.16 Bullet (plated)
$0.32 Bullet (Good JHP)
20c/round for lead
21c/round for plated
37c/round for gold dot
Works out to
$10/box for lead
$10.50/box for plated
$18.50/box for Gold Dot.
So you can save a lot of money.. And if you cast your own bullets.. Even more money can be saved.
I'm loading for $7 a box because I bought a shit-ton of 230 hard cast lead when they were cheaper and am still using that stock.
5.56 and .223 are in fact slightly different. My weapons all have 5.56 chambers, so I load to 5.56 spec. I tend to load on the light side of the spec. Brass lasts longer, less wear and tear on the weapon, more rounds per pound of powder, etc.
2 lbs of powder ain't shit, especially if you're loading rifle. I think I have around 24-32 pounds of powder and that's not even that much in the grand scheme of things.
Some people load to save money, but you really won't save much unless you're making a LOT of ammo---the initial investment is fairly steep. I like to reload because I like to feel self-sufficient. When the politicians start talking about gun control and the shelves clear, I don't sweat it because I'm sitting on tens of thousands of rounds of supplies. I can sit in my basement, watch the game and drink beer, and pump out a thousand or more rounds in an afternoon.
2 lbs of powder ain't shit, especially if you're loading rifle. I think I have around 24-32 pounds of powder and that's not even that much in the grand scheme of things.
Some people load to save money, but you really won't save much unless you're making a LOT of ammo---the initial investment is fairly steep. I like to reload because I like to feel self-sufficient. When the politicians start talking about gun control and the shelves clear, I don't sweat it because I'm sitting on tens of thousands of rounds of supplies. I can sit in my basement, watch the game and drink beer, and pump out a thousand or more rounds in an afternoon.
I (used to) reload because of being able to tailor a round to a specific gun. Two brand new guns will each "like" slightly different loads and part of the fun is figuring out what load each gun "likes". I have several long guns in my safe that print sub-MOA out at 200 yds or better, but not with factory ammo. When I was competing cost also became a factor, but not to the extent that one would think.
Correct. That was two days ago. Yesterday when I went down to shoot at the range I go to here, I was talking to the owner and he said what was $36 for a PMag (non-windowed, two days ago) was $50 yesterday. Spike's stripped lowers...$700. The next tier of brands of lowers...$1000. And there was no shortage of any of these things. Tons of lowers and rifles on the wall. When I was told $40 for a G17 mag, I left.
Apparently (I haven't been there), Gun Gallery is keeping everything at their normal retail prices. I always found them to be a bit more expensive, but at least they're staying honest.
Well now I don't feel so bad for fondling whatever the flavor of the week is at shooters and then either ordering it from buds or finding it cheaper at another LGS. If it's just business to them, they'll understand it's nothing personal to me, either.
The fuck? Seriously? That's ludicrous and damn near highway robbery.
MasterBates
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I've bought ONE gun from shooters, sold as new, had all new paperwork.
Went to register it with Springfield for warranty. Not new.
Springfield honored a "new" warranty because my receipt said nothing about used.
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Went to register it with Springfield for warranty. Not new.
Springfield honored a "new" warranty because my receipt said nothing about used.
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If you understood Shooter's MO (the price was a starting point), it was a decent place to shop (I've only actually bought one thing there, but my FFL down at the range and his xfer fee made online stuff the way to go). Great inventory and usually pretty decent service if it wasn't Xmas. After the other day, though, I was pretty disinterested in giving them my money in the future, even if it's for a mag.
Well, the NRA got their hands on an early draft of the bill.
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/f...ein-goes-for-broke-with-new-gun-ban-bill.aspx
Quick down-n-dirty:
-All existing 'assault weapons' would be considered NFA weapons, and subject to $200 tax stamp and federal registration.
-Only one 'option' allowed per rifle, instead of two (a la 1994). Want a pistol grip? No detachable magazine for you. Doesn't even have to be an actual pistol grip...if it's not a plain jane smooth stock, they can consider that a grip.
-Any semi automatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds...assault weapon.
-Any semi automatic rifle with an overall length less than 30" (old SBR cut-off was 26")...assault weapon.
-No transfer of existing weapons. Unlike current legal machine guns and SBRs, you can never transfer the weapon. If you die, the government seizes and destroys the gun(s).
-Any semi automatic pistol with a threaded barrel is an assault weapon, subject to registration and tax stamp.
Remember, you give up a lot of rights owning an NFA firearm. The BATF can come to inspect the weapon at any time, and you must notify them before transporting it across state lines. Also, some states (NY and CA come to mind) already have laws on the books banning the civilian ownership of NFA weapons/items. Classifying a run-of-the-mill AR15 as an NFA weapon would make millions of legal gun owners felons at the state level.
Hold on to your balls, gents.
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/f...ein-goes-for-broke-with-new-gun-ban-bill.aspx
Quick down-n-dirty:
-All existing 'assault weapons' would be considered NFA weapons, and subject to $200 tax stamp and federal registration.
-Only one 'option' allowed per rifle, instead of two (a la 1994). Want a pistol grip? No detachable magazine for you. Doesn't even have to be an actual pistol grip...if it's not a plain jane smooth stock, they can consider that a grip.
-Any semi automatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds...assault weapon.
-Any semi automatic rifle with an overall length less than 30" (old SBR cut-off was 26")...assault weapon.
-No transfer of existing weapons. Unlike current legal machine guns and SBRs, you can never transfer the weapon. If you die, the government seizes and destroys the gun(s).
-Any semi automatic pistol with a threaded barrel is an assault weapon, subject to registration and tax stamp.
Remember, you give up a lot of rights owning an NFA firearm. The BATF can come to inspect the weapon at any time, and you must notify them before transporting it across state lines. Also, some states (NY and CA come to mind) already have laws on the books banning the civilian ownership of NFA weapons/items. Classifying a run-of-the-mill AR15 as an NFA weapon would make millions of legal gun owners felons at the state level.
Hold on to your balls, gents.