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JOs vs Aquaflage (standing duty in NWU)
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I've tried to find the message (came out around 1999-2000) about the patches that were authorized on the flight suit. It went into a long litany of the patches that were authorized. For the name tag it was to be first, last names, rank & USN/R only (or you could have CO/XO in lieu of rank & USN/R). No callsign only patches.
The right shoulder could be any type of aircraft patch (TMS or 1000 hour etc), a Wing/CAG patch, or some other professional patch.
The Left shoulder was specified place for WTI patch.
The next day Rev A came out that said basically, "we forgot to authorize the American flag on the left shoulder... It's OK to wear that one too!"
So this is by no means the first time Big Navy has cracked down on flight suit patches.
The right shoulder could be any type of aircraft patch (TMS or 1000 hour etc), a Wing/CAG patch, or some other professional patch.
The Left shoulder was specified place for WTI patch.
The next day Rev A came out that said basically, "we forgot to authorize the American flag on the left shoulder... It's OK to wear that one too!"
So this is by no means the first time Big Navy has cracked down on flight suit patches.
Then this too shall pass....
Fortunately, your CMC didn't/doesn't make the rules. Tact still applies and is required, but it's fun to come back to a fleet squadron with a CMC that doesn't have a clue and educate him/her to the fact that an O-3/O-4 doesn't actually take orders from an E-9. It's not fun for anyone that you're in a position where that's required.
Somebody show me where in the uniform regs shit hots are currently authorized, and where in the NAVADMIN they are banned. Hint: it ain't there. They are another unofficial yet tolerated tradition in TACAIR, just like patched up Nomex jackets. Just like people who you see walking around with American flag patches on their leather jackets. Technically outside of regs, but no one cares enough to crack down on it.
Not that I don't sympathize with the whole NWU thing, but I want to question/point out some things. First, it is correct, bags are organizational clothing. So I am particularly disappointed that the navy is dictating how they be worn. The "organization" should be free to do that. If Khakis are hot, then why isn't the long sleeve flight suit hot? Moreover, where the hell are you standing duty? Every duty desk I ever manned was in an air conditioned room. Well wait, maybe not Fallon, but that was a long long time ago, and temporary at that. And how can one claim NWUs don't look good, in terms of fit, and then promote flight suits for duty wear. It is called a bag for a reason. It is comfortable because it isn't fitted. Be honest. Hate NWUs for their color, but you can't claim a flight suit looks sharper then a proper fitted NWU. Lets make some coherent arguments.
"Poopie trim!"
I'm satisfied.
I think the thread started off as a complaint about how NWUs have replaced khakis (particularly shipboard washed khakis). My particular beef is that in an effort to "fit in" around the five sided circus we've adopted a camouflaged uniform to satisfy the hunger for all things "warrior"...
To the flight suit question - I prefer the rules the way they are. Bags are okay for "brief" stops. I know some of you sea lawyers will contest what constitutes a 'brief" stop. If you need to ask - it's probably not ok. The people who are excited about the bag changes coming in October so they can go out in town wearing them - I suspect are people who really want to make sure people know they're aviators. Really want to be seen out in town in a bag. Maybe even carried helmet bags to books a million in Pcola to "study" (read: be seen).
Paint me a grumpy old jerk though.
AJB37
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What is the point of being an aviator if other people don't know you're an aviator?
MasterBates
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And we won't be able to go anywhere in a bag we don't go already.
FUBIJAR in effect.
FUBIJAR in effect.
I don't always bag strike, but when I do, it's because I'm lazy.
Does that include walking to WalMart after your truck breaks down, to get a replacement part, after its been raining?
I was shocked to see the NWU replace Khaki. I thought it was only going to be a dungaree/swojammie replacement. I was ok with wash khaki on the boat. I wore it almost as much as my bag. In my day at NASNI, on the VS side anyway, you wore khaki until you had a brief. Maybe hung around in it for some time after the hop if it was convenient, but eventually went back to the khaki. I can't see anyone doing that with NWUs.
Agree 100%. It was more traditional, unifying, and just plain fun when we could do just about anything to our flight suits and jackets. Squadron shit hots, club bags, cruise patches, foreign military patches, etc. I would have never traded that to wear my bag out in town. Be careful what you wish for.